American UFO disclosures

Phead128

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How is arguing with alien UFO loonies any different from trying to disprove God's existence to religious folks that cite anecdotal information from unreliable sources with all sorts of mental gymnastics.

For the record, I believe extraterrestrial life exists for sure, I just don't believe US govt and their propaganda bullshit.
 
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Just a bunch of smokescreen from a 3 letter US Agency in order to cover up their research.

Note that these kind of "black" programs are only known by some select people in the US Gov.

The military for all it knows this was a real "UFO" but somewhere in a 3 letter agency a scientist is smirking
 
Mohsin77

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silentlurker said:
Is this beyond current engineering capabilities?
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Yes. It would be beyond engineering, because it's beyond known physics. Because of inertia.

You can't just come to a complete and sudden stop in free space and then change direction without a ton of friction or opposing thrust (and we already talked about your pulse-jet argument.)
 
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Mohsin77 said:
Yes. It would be beyond engineering, because it's beyond known physics. Because of inertia.

You can't just come to a complete and sudden stop in free space and then change direction without a ton of friction or opposing thrust (and we already talked about your pulse-jet argument.)
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Coming to a sudden stop and changing directions is not beyond known physics. Like I said, all you need is a large thrust or a light object or some combination of the two. Commander Fravor made a visual observation from a significant distance away, how would he be able to tell if the direction change was truly instantaneous or not?
 
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silentlurker said:
Coming to a sudden stop and changing directions is not beyond known physics. Like I said, all you need is a large thrust or a light object or some combination of the two. Commander Fravor made a visual observation from a significant distance away, how would he be able to tell if the direction change was truly instantaneous or not?
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Yes I dont know what is this fascination and talk about gravity regarding UFOs.

Gravity is "just" another force applied to the object. As long as you can provide a counter force then you stay on air and "cancel" gravity. Who knows if some thrusters have been under deep development which can achieve this with low fuel consumption, low weight and other requirements
 
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The classic example is Indian Army accuses Chinese Drones/UFOs of violation of Sino-Indian Border over hundred times, but the reality is, these "Drones/UFOs" were the planet Venus and Jupiter crossing the sky over multi-month period. (Source:
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There is literally a scientific explanation for a lot of perceived paranormal or extraterrestrial phenomena, JUST BECAUSE we observers cannot find a scientific explanation (yet) does not mean it's some supernatural omnipotent lifeform. It could be an optical illusion caused by a natural scientific event (like drones and planet mishap) or an illusion in the human perception of objects.
 
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This story got weirder. Luis Elizondo, the former director of AATIP is one of the key people behind these "disclosures". Yesterday he went on a podcast and made some very outlandish claims.


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He states the US government is in possession of advanced technology not from earth. He doesn't go into details but suggests the "material" shows evidence of very advanced nanoengineering, yet was discovered a long time ago. Very specific claims.
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He confirms the Roswell crash was real. WTF??
He then seems to be validating a UFO crash in Italy before WW2. Its related to beliefs that Nazis acquired alien technology which the the US then obtained in Operation Paperclip. By the end of the interview I was expecting him to say Santa Claus and the tooth fairy were real.

My question is, why is this person being taken seriously? Not only that, he seems to be getting support from active and past senior politicians. Marco Rubio, Harry Reid. Rather than treating his claims with skepticism, the US government seems to be tacitly endorsing them.

Despite being picked to assess these UFOs, he has no background in engineering. He was a counter intelligence special agent working in foreign countries. My take is this is all an attempt by the US government to hijack the conspiracy movement.
 
Phead128

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The same US intelligence spreading lies about Wuhan Lab Leak and Uyghur concentration camps and Iraqi WMDs is now saying there is UFOs. Heck no.
 
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Phead128 said:
Question 1:

What is prohibiting the advanced civilization from communicating with us, conquering us, or exploiting us for slave labor or resources.

Question 2:

When Europeans discovered the New World, they quickly conquered the primitive savages. They didn't play hide and go seek.

Question 3:

This advanced civilization appears to be hiding itself except to Anglos and Israelis who conveniently are the only ones to admit their existence...the inferior Chinese or Indians who must not be worthy or deserving to be visited? Why only Anglos and Jews?

Can one of your alien looney's explains question 1 -3 without weasel or BS terms.
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Alien loonies...if you had seen one yourself, you wouldn't say this shit. I read a book about Alien contact, it seems there are many species of Aliens, his theory is there is some sort of Alien UN prohibiting exploitation of primitive planets, some Aliens that are visiting us are some sort of Alien thrill seeker or private hunter, that's his theory.

And no, it's not just the Anglos seeing this shit, China and Russia has not publicly announce their UAP program, Senator Reid who was in the intel committee said both countries have a surveillance program and France publishes UFO encounters publicly, it's in French so nobody gives a fuck. If you follow the reports, a lot of countries from Japan, Ecuador, Peru reported military encounters but it's just not reported in mainstream media and in English, this was investigated by History channel Luis Elronzo back in 2018 after the 2017 revelations, he went into showbiz. Hell even me, a Asian guy saw it in Malaysia...and in my local FB page, dozens of people reported seeing it. The Government just don't give a fck because if you reported, you are a LOONIE
 
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Abominable said:
This story got weirder. Luis Elizondo, the former director of AATIP is one of the key people behind these "disclosures". Yesterday he went on a podcast and made some very outlandish claims.


32:24
He states the US government is in possession of advanced technology not from earth. He doesn't go into details but suggests the "material" shows evidence of very advanced nanoengineering, yet was discovered a long time ago. Very specific claims.
1:13:55
He confirms the Roswell crash was real. WTF??
He then seems to be validating a UFO crash in Italy before WW2. Its related to beliefs that Nazis acquired alien technology which the the US then obtained in Operation Paperclip. By the end of the interview I was expecting him to say Santa Claus and the tooth fairy were real.

My question is, why is this person being taken seriously? Not only that, he seems to be getting support from active and past senior politicians. Marco Rubio, Harry Reid. Rather than treating his claims with skepticism, the US government seems to be tacitly endorsing them.

Despite being picked to assess these UFOs, he has no background in engineering. He was a counter intelligence special agent working in foreign countries. My take is this is all an attempt by the US government to hijack the conspiracy movement.
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Bro, this guy is a legend and yes the US government was forced by him to reveal shit. For years all these encounters were kept under wraps. Have you seen the declassified report on Roswell in CIA page? Read it, the initial report of eyewitness of local police was a FLYING SAUCER the size of an aircraft and later it was changed to a small balloon?wtf. These local policemen were not loonies or crazy...
 
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