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sinophilia

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Current realities are a reflection of policy made. Current US indicators reflect a quite healthy and functioning policy space.

The US doesn't do IQ testing and even if that was true (it's not), the US can always rely on immigration and legacy advantages in higher education & research. PISA scores in the United States are fairly good once adjusting for a few demographic variables

The US invented IQ testing and uses it for practically everything. What a moronic comment. It's used in everything from the military to corporations (most job entrance exams are thinly veiled IQ tests) in job-hiring to local government services (firefighting, police force, etc).

IQ tests like SAT, ACT, and similar testing are good proxies as well. Jesus you're dumb.

PISA scores in the United States are fairly good

Are you a pro-China troll trying to show how dumb Indians are? Sorry, I couldn't event fit your adopted homeland on the page for Math.

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Bob Smith

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Current realities are a reflection of policy made. Current US indicators reflect a quite healthy and functioning policy space.

The US doesn't do IQ testing and even if that was true (it's not), the US can always rely on immigration and legacy advantages in higher education & research. PISA scores in the United States are fairly good once adjusting for a few demographic variables
The US relies too heavily on immigrants that will not always show up to America when the rest of the world is moving up not to mention Europe and the rest of anglosphere is more open to immigration nowadays than ever before.

Why would you need to adjust for demographic variables when looking at PISA scores? America is moving towards importing more of the demographics that does poorly on that test(Hispanics) and a decreasing population that does well(whites) on that test. If you're talking about adjusting for income demographics, why would you? It's not like America is moving those people up the income bracket.
 

sinophilia

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The US relies too heavily on immigrants that will not always show up to America when the rest of the world is moving up not to mention Europe and the rest of anglosphere is more open to immigration nowadays than ever before.

Why would you need to adjust for demographic variables when looking at PISA scores? America is moving towards importing more of the demographics that does poorly on that test(Hispanics) and a decreasing population that does well(whites) on that test. If you're talking about adjusting for income demographics, why would you? It's not like America is moving those people up the income bracket.

Because he's just an Indian who enjoys debate. That's all he's here for. Strategically posturing himself into a situation where people keep trying contradict him, then he has to find ever more creative ways to debate his way out of those.

Problem is, as you just showed, he isn't very good at it. PISA tests have .8 spearman correlation to g-loaded IQ tests, which means 80% of the variance can be explained without additional variables. And since those g-loaded IQ tests like WAIS-IV and Stanford-Binet measure genetic potential... the US is fucked.
 

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Because he's just an Indian who enjoys debate. That's all he's here for. Strategically posturing himself into a situation where people keep trying contradict him, then he has to find ever more creative ways to debate his way out of those.
The Indians as a race are known for their loquaciousness; they will talk a salesman out of his time and into the grave. Effectively, they love the sound of their own voice and draining your time and energy.

Interesting chart, also you'd expect the subcontinent that produced Ramanujan to also top those maths charts so either there's been IQ degradation in the subcontinent or the brain drain has led to the Ramanujans to flee elsewhere and it can't be the UK or the US because those countries certainly arne't on that list.
 

sinophilia

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The Indians as a race are known for their loquaciousness; they will talk a salesman out of his time and into the grave. Effectively, they love the sound of their own voice and draining your time and energy.

Interesting chart, also you'd expect the subcontinent that produced Ramanujan to also top those maths charts so either there's been IQ degradation in the subcontinent or the brain drain has led to the Ramanujans to flee elsewhere and it can't be the UK or the US because those countries certainly arne't on that list.

I think Ramanujan was just a huge outlier. Genetic stratification + large population will breed a large number of geniuses (total not per capita) even if the average is very low. Look at Indians in the US, average IQ is 110. But they are an outlier, not an accurate representation.

I know there was a lot of bullying about India's national IQ and how it has a mean IQ of 82, but the average in the most recent and comprehensive studies is adjusted lower to 76.

Of course not all of this is genetic, they still have severe stunting and iodine deficiency and everyone knows that the easiest ways to boost IQs is to improve micronutrient supplementation to those in abject poverty. But that has its limitations and I'm sure it'll never even reach 90 without some hypothetical techno-future enhancement.
 
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The US invented IQ testing and uses it for practically everything. What a moronic comment. It's used in everything from the military to corporations (most job entrance exams are thinly veiled IQ tests) in job-hiring to local government services (firefighting, police force, etc).

IQ tests like SAT, ACT, and similar testing are good proxies as well. Jesus you're dumb.
SAT and ACT are achievement, not aptitude tests. I'm not sure why you are so hung up on IQ when it's not widely used anywhere (the pure aptitude test and not the tests of achievement)
 
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Problem is, as you just showed, he isn't very good at it. PISA tests have .8 spearman correlation to g-loaded IQ tests, which means 80% of the variance can be explained without additional variables. And since those g-loaded IQ tests like WAIS-IV and Stanford-Binet measure genetic potential... the US is fucked.
The US is fine. IQ tests have limited predictive value over long-run income and even if you compare constants with constants, average US SAT/ACT scores have been stable for decades even with fairly different cohorts taking such tests
 
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The US relies too heavily on immigrants that will not always show up to America when the rest of the world is moving up not to mention Europe and the rest of anglosphere is more open to immigration nowadays than ever before.
LOL, do you not see American politics? The problem is still too much, not too little immigration.
Why would you need to adjust for demographic variables when looking at PISA scores? America is moving towards importing more of the demographics that does poorly on that test(Hispanics) and a decreasing population that does well(whites) on that test. If you're talking about adjusting for income demographics, why would you? It's not like America is moving those people up the income bracket.
Demographic variables are mostly adjustment factors for child poverty and that stuff. Not protected classes. Hispanics still do better on the test than most other countries and yes, in fact, there is fairly high generational mobility for hispanics.
 
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In terms of innovation the US has been failing this past decade compared to China- which is why the propaganda narrative from the anglo americans went from 'China/Asians can't innovate' to 'China/Asians stole everything' whilst being dead silent over the fact that China innovated to the point where it is the lead patent holder for 5G tech which white anglo americans conspicuously are not, despite having God and Freedom and white supremacy on their side.
 
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