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[Deleted member 15949]

In terms of innovation the US has been failing this past decade compared to China- which is why the propaganda narrative from the anglo americans went from 'China/Asians can't innovate' to 'China/Asians stole everything' whilst being dead silent over the fact that China innovated to the point where it is the lead patent holder for 5G tech which white anglo americans conspicuously are not, despite having God and Freedom and white supremacy on their side.

Failing? No. US innovation has been fine this past decade (or else the Entity List/Tech Bans wouldn't be nearly as salient as they are). That China has innovated faster really isn't a question though. The proclamations that the US is screwed because of this or that, are ofc, nonsense, the US will be powerful at least for decades into the future

 

[DarkStar]

Failing? No. US innovation has been fine this past decade (or else the Entity List/Tech Bans wouldn't be nearly as salient as they are). That China has innovated faster really isn't a question though. The proclamations that the US is screwed because of this or that, are ofc, nonsense, the US will be powerful at least for decades into the future

I don't think so; this isn't the 60s anymore where anglo american culture was conducive to innovation and producing material goods and results; yes, today's america is open to innovation...of the legal/economic sort to screw people out of their money, where the latest innovation is a protection racket forcing US companies to pay off a group to stop them from saying that they're using "uighur slave labour".

But in terms of raw innovation, China certainly has the US beat; where's the anglo american hypersonic weapons that should have come form superior white anglo innovation?
Where's the 5G that the superior white anglo should have possessed, and not the shitty slapping a 5G sticker on a 4G modem that a US company tried to pull off.
Where's the superior white anglo quantum satellite?

I'm not seeing a lot of US innovation 'being fine', i am seeing a lot of US universities excluding Asians and Chinese from universities simply because they're Asian, and the gestapo of the white anglos conducting witch hunt after witch hunt even when losing in court. None of that screams a culture of innovation or freedom of thought, the sort that should be producing naval railguns which the US Navy does not possess but which the PLAN certainly do, having conducted sea trials.

What i am seeing is a lot of anglo american insecurity in tech; where trump famously said to kissinger he was worried 'about the Chinese getting way ahead of us', where the anglos had to instigate a tech war and chip blockade in an attempt to destroy a Chinese tech company, even going to the extent of kidnaping the CEO's daughter.

Anglo america, effectively the Five Eyes as a world power is doomed because it believes so utterly in its own racial superiority myth that it failed to even entertain the notion that a non white nation could surpass it; Chris Hedges put it best when he described modern america as a white supremacist civilisation doomed to collapse under the contradictions of its own societal iniquities.

 

[Deleted member 15949]

I don't think so; this isn't the 60s anymore where anglo american culture was conducive to innovation and producing material goods and results; yes, today's america is open to innovation...of the legal/economic sort to screw people out of their money, where the latest innovation is a protection racket forcing US companies to pay off a group to stop them from saying that they're using "uighur slave labour".

This seems mostly to your racial resentment of the United States more than anything else. Just take a gander at patent filings or Nature/Science.

But in terms of raw innovation, China certainly has the US beat; where's the anglo american hypersonic weapons that should have come form superior white anglo innovation?
Where's the 5G that the superior white anglo should have possessed, and not the shitty slapping a 5G sticker on a 4G modem that a US company tried to pull off.
Where's the superior white anglo quantum satellite?

What does race have to do with this? Even ignoring that, go through the listed corporate news releases. You'll see plenty of innovation on the software, machinery, chemical, optical sides, most of it procedural.

I'm not seeing a lot of US innovation 'being fine', i am seeing a lot of US universities excluding Asians and Chinese from universities simply because they're Asian, and the gestapo of the white anglos conducting witch hunt after witch hunt even when losing in court. None of that screams a culture of innovation or freedom of thought, the sort that should be producing naval railguns which the US Navy does not possess but which the PLAN certainly do, having conducted sea trials.

Okay? You can be both repressive and innovative as the US has been for most of history.

What i am seeing is a lot of anglo american insecurity in tech; where trump famously said to kissinger he was worried 'about the Chinese getting way ahead of us', where the anglos had to instigate a tech war and chip blockade in an attempt to destroy a Chinese tech company, even going to the extent of kidnaping the CEO's daughter.

If the US wasn't innovative, it wouldn't have the capability to instigate a tech war.

Anglo america, effectively the Five Eyes as a world power is doomed because it believes so utterly in its own racial superiority myth that it failed to even entertain the notion that a non white nation could surpass it; Chris Hedges put it best when he described modern america as a white supremacist civilisation doomed to collapse under the contradictions of its own societal iniquities.

The US isn't going to collapse b/c there aren't contradictions that are significant enough

 

[DarkStar]

This seems mostly to your racial resentment of the United States more than anything else. Just take a gander at patent filings or Nature/Science.

What does race have to do with this? Even ignoring that, go through the listed corporate news releases. You'll see plenty of innovation on the software, machinery, chemical, optical sides, most of it procedural.

Okay? You can be both repressive and innovative as the US has been for most of history.

If the US wasn't innovative, it wouldn't have the capability to instigate a tech war.

The US isn't going to collapse b/c there aren't contradictions that are significant enough

Do you deny the racial apartheid caste structure of the United States or the race based nature of the Five Eyes "rules based" world order?

Regardless it doesn't matter because sooner or later the United States will break and acquiesce to Chinese demands; biden's bosses in the US 1%er Elites are already feeling the pinch from inflation and if current course continues, we can expect inflation to start grinding down the working middle class and hopefully, American Revolution: Madame Guillotine strikes back.

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Bigger question now in the United States is who breaks first: the United States or the neocon bannonite race warriors who yearn for a Book of Revelations style showdown with china.

 

[Deleted member 15949]

Do you deny the racial apartheid caste structure of the United States or the race based nature of the Five Eyes "rules based" world order?

The US doesn't have racial apartheid.

Regardless it doesn't matter because sooner or later the United States will break and acquiesce to Chinese demands; biden's bosses in the US 1%er Elites are already feeling the pinch from inflation and if current course continues, we can expect inflation to start grinding down the working middle class and hopefully, American Revolution: Madame Guillotine strikes back.

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LOL, no. Business lobbies will do business lobbies and there isn't any goods inflation. Just a tad of pandemic induced shocks. And high inflation isn't revolutionary: see the 1970s.

Bigger question now in the United States is who breaks first: the United States or the neocon bannonite race warriors who yearn for a Book of Revelations style showdown with china.

Neither because the US is internally resilient.

 

[AndrewS]

I think Ramanujan was just a huge outlier. Genetic stratification + large population will breed a large number of geniuses (total not per capita) even if the average is very low. Look at Indians in the US, average IQ is 110. But they are an outlier, not an accurate representation.

I know there was a lot of bullying about India's national IQ and how it has a mean IQ of 82, but the average in the most recent and comprehensive studies is adjusted lower to 76.

Of course not all of this is genetic, they still have severe stunting and iodine deficiency and everyone knows that the easiest ways to boost IQs is to improve micronutrient supplementation to those in abject poverty. But that has its limitations and I'm sure it'll never even reach 90 without some hypothetical techno-future enhancement.

It's interesting to note that the US military previously had a minimum IQ requirement of approximately 83.

And remember that this IQ requirement was set in the days when the US army wanted every useful body it could conscript - for work like driving, warehousing, delivery, cooking etc

The implication is that the US military would classify the majority of India's population as useless for any sort of work.

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Which leads onto another big issue.

Approximately 1 in 6 of male US population has an IQ of less than 87, which means there are literally no suitable jobs for them.

China has a similar problem to the USA, but there's a slightly higher average IQ plus fewer people at the both ends of the IQ scale.

 

[Deleted member 15949]

Approximately 1 in 6 of male US population has an IQ of less than 87, which means there are literally no suitable jobs for them.

China has a similar problem to the USA, but there's a slightly higher average IQ plus fewer people at the both ends of the IQ scale.

Great, so we can end this IQ US collapse nonsense?

 

[AndrewS]

Do you deny the racial apartheid caste structure of the United States or the race based nature of the Five Eyes "rules based" world order?

Regardless it doesn't matter because sooner or later the United States will break and acquiesce to Chinese demands; biden's bosses in the US 1%er Elites are already feeling the pinch from inflation and if current course continues, we can expect inflation to start grinding down the working middle class and hopefully, American Revolution: Madame Guillotine strikes back.

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Bigger question now in the United States is who breaks first: the United States or the neocon bannonite race warriors who yearn for a Book of Revelations style showdown with china.

You're severely exaggerating the situation.

 

[AndrewS]

Great, so we can end this IQ US collapse nonsense?

I don't think the USA will collapse, but we can see the political strain in having a significant number of low-IQ men (1 in 6) who are unemployed or in low-paid jobs.

For example you can see them as the Trump followers who stormed Congress.

In comparison, India has a much bigger problem
You're looking at half of all men in India with a low IQ and being unemployable
These voters will feed the BJP Hindu religious and ethnic supremacy narrative
But Hindus are actually a minority in India, if you add up the Muslims+Dalits+Others

 

[Deleted member 15949]

I don't think the USA will collapse, but we can see the political strain in having a significant number of low-IQ men (1 in 6) who are unemployed or in low-paid jobs.

For example you can see them as the Trump followers who stormed Congress.

Meh, it was a civil disturbance for half a day. And when has that not always been the case?

In comparison, India has a much bigger problem
You're looking at half of all men in India with a low IQ and being unemployable
These voters will feed the BJP Hindu religious and ethnic supremacy narrative
But Hindus are actually a minority in India, if you add up the Muslims+Dalits+Others

What does this have to do with India on the American economics thread?