All is not what it seems within China's High Speed Rail development.

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This is very sad indeed.Already we hear of fatalities and seriously injured.Some sources claim the train was struck by lightning and lost power resulting in the train behind colliding into the rear.Firstly,as i've already stated here,i was on a CRH in Hangzhou recently and it too lost power and there was no lightning.Secondly,It should not be possible for a train to run into another train.This is a systems fault even taking human error into consideration,the system should over-ride that and stop the rear train automatically.This is terrible for China in more ways than one.
 

Hendrik_2000

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This is very sad indeed.Already we hear of fatalities and seriously injured.Some sources claim the train was struck by lightning and lost power resulting in the train behind colliding into the rear.Firstly,as i've already stated here,i was on a CRH in Hangzhou recently and it too lost power and there was no lightning.Secondly,It should not be possible for a train to run into another train.This is a systems fault even taking human error into consideration,the system should over-ride that and stop the rear train automatically.This is terrible for China in more ways than one.

This news is very misleading The train that is involved in accident is not the 300 mile/hr train but one of the earliest model probably built in 80's from imported train so called D train. Accident do happened hopefully they investigate it thoroughly. In no way it reflect the reliability of HSR. Like this article that some how insinuate to the corruption case

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BEIJING (AP) — A bullet train derailed in eastern China on Saturday and two of its carriages fell off a bridge, but there was no immediate word on casualties, state media reported.

The high-speed train was traveling from the Zhejiang provincial capital of Hangzhou when the accident happened in Wenzhou city at about 8:30 p.m. (1230 GMT), the official Xinhua News Agency said.

Rescue personnel rushed to the scene but details on casualties were not immediately known, Xinhua said.

Pictures on the Internet in China showed one carriage on the ground and another standing on its end and leaning against the bridge.

Xinhua did not say what caused the accident.

China has spent billions and plans more massive spending to link the country with a high-speed rail network. Recently, power outages and other malfunctions have plagued the showcase new high-speed line between Beijing and Shanghai since it opened last month.

The train that crashed was a "D'' train, which was the first generation bullet train with an average speed of about 95 miles (150 kilometers) per hour and not as fast at the Beijing-Shanghai line that opened June 30.

Official plans call for China's bullet train network to expand to 8,000 miles (13,000 kilometers) of track this year and 10,000 miles (16,000 kilometers) by 2020.

The huge spending connected with the rail expansion also has been blamed for corruption, and Railways Minister Liu Zhijun was dismissed this spring amid an investigation into unspecified corruption allegations.

No details have been released about the allegations against him, but news reports say they include kickbacks, bribes, illegal contracts and sexual liaisons.
 

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This is very sad indeed.Already we hear of fatalities and seriously injured.Some sources claim the train was struck by lightning and lost power resulting in the train behind colliding into the rear.Firstly,as i've already stated here,i was on a CRH in Hangzhou recently and it too lost power and there was no lightning.Secondly,It should not be possible for a train to run into another train.This is a systems fault even taking human error into consideration,the system should over-ride that and stop the rear train automatically.This is terrible for China in more ways than one.

Agree. It would be an even greater failure if this safety mechanism has not already been implemented. The question is whether such a safety mechanism is already been in place, and if it is, whether the crash is caused by a system or human-related failure in the mechanism.
 

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Emergency workers and civilians perform rescue duties from the wreckage of a train crash in Wenzhou in east China's Zhejiang province, Saturday, July 23, 2011. A Chinese bullet train lost power after being struck by lightning and was hit from behind by another train, knocking two of its carriages off a bridge, killing at least 16 people and injuring 89, state media reported. (AP Photo)
 

Blitzo

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Hopefully this can kick the government into shape and be a bit more thorough, if this incident was not a freak accident.
They'll be getting some well deserved flak from everyone including dare i say it, the western media, this time around.
 

kroko

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Dead count is already at 32

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How will the chinese autorities react to this ? and what will be the reaction of the chinese customers?

You can bet that a lot of chinese critics are bashing china. And with reason.
 

bladerunner

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This news is very misleading The train that is involved in accident is not the 300 mile/hr train but one of the earliest model probably built in 80's from imported train so called D train. Accident do happened hopefully they investigate it thoroughly. In no way it reflect the reliability of HSR. Like this article that some how insinuate to the corruption case

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Actually it doesnt matter what generation train it was, should investigations reveal a degree of human error.

Hope they will give us the full facts and not a sanitized version. I notice comments being made that that model of train was not supposed to run on conventional tracks. Was it doing that at the time?. That's a big system failure if it proves to be the case.
I wonder if the constant harping on about the incurring losses are having a effect on the daily running of the services. In keeping with what happens all around the world in various enterprises eg airlines etc, concerns about costs and the "bottom line" has resulted in maintenance and training becoming a little tardy. Hope I'm wrong in this case though.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Hopefully this can kick the government into shape and be a bit more thorough, if this incident was not a freak accident.
They'll be getting some well deserved flak from everyone including dare i say it, the western media, this time around.

No it was a freak accident apparently the incoming train that occupied the rail was struck by lightning and the drive electronic was fried resulting in the the train being incapacitated. The high speed train just plowed head on into the crippled train and slip

According to CCTV News
 
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Blitzo

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No it was a freak accident apparently the incoming train that occupied the rail was strike by lightning and the drive electronic was fried resulting in the the train incapacitated. The high speed train just plowed into the incoming train and slip

According to CCTV News

Regardless I'm sure there would have been some faults in systems or the human aspect which they'll need to refine. We don't know the exact problem yet, but the sounds of the situation is that these trains which crashed were older models -- if it were the new 300km ones the consequences would be far greater.

Condolences of course to the victims but hopefully this accident will make itmore robust while maintaining the growth of this fairly important transport system and also weeding out a couple of corrupt officials.
 
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