All is not what it seems within China's High Speed Rail development.

bladerunner

bladerunner

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AssassinsMace said:
This just goes to show all the accusations are questionable. The story about the welds on the new Bay Bridge construction had nothing to do with China. American workers did those welds. The Bay Area shipyards have a lot of cranes shipped from China which is controversial in itself. But the unions prevent any Chinese on those ships delivering those cranes from stepping foot on US soil. They have to stay onboard. So another flawed lie about the welds on the Bay Bridge is blaming it on bad Chinese worksmanship when no Chinese would've been allowed to weld them in the first place.
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Perhaps there were several incidences of faulty welds as the incident Im talking about occured in China. If you are concerned about China being blamed for any faulty workmanship well they certainly played a big part in its construction.

In a interview published by the New Zealand Tuesday 12th of July with Mr Zhou Jichang by Elaine Kurtenbach. Zhou certainly paints a picture of a big Chinese involvement.....he says"We believe this bridge is very important. When people see it they will ask who built it"........"This will really raise our brand image".

He goes on to say "The first shipment of segments of the bridges deck was delayed by a few weeks two years ago because of welding problems.He goes on to say they were resolved and any delays in the final schedule would cost Zhenhua US350000 a day.

So if China had no part to play in any delayed finishing/delivery schedule caused by bad welding. why would he be worried about incuring the financial penalty.

Futhermore in a New York Article about the bridge

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theres a photo showing supposedly showing a bridge section undergoing welding in Shanghai. futhermore futher on in the article when giving numbers it states

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters, welders, polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower, which was shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks — the massive triangular steel structures that will serve as the roadway platform".
 
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bladerunner

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Hendrik_2000 said:
My answer to those critics are these. China has built hundred of bridges ranging from 1 mile to 35 mile long none has so far collapsed due to bad workmanship.
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Perhaps it goes unreported
Actually years ago I did come across a photo maybe here of a collapsed bridge. It was a county stone? bridge collapsing after rain because of the lack of cement.
 
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AssassinsMace

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What you don't know and the article doesn't tell you is the prefabricated pieces from China are the road sections itself. The accusations you speak of were the base parts welded into place by American workers. The steel pieces maybe Chinese but the base structures weren't put together by the Chinese. They weren't pre-fabricated in China. And just like your arguments about China's economy collapsing where China is still humming along to the contrary of the doom and gloom naysayers which stands as above all evidence against, the last road pieces of the Bay Bridge have just been laid down. They're way past replacing the bad quality parts in question because they stopped work on the Bay Bridge long ago to investigate and found nothing credible of the charges made.

If you read the New York Times artcle it said the state of California had 250 people living in China to oversee the parts being made for the bridge. Unless you're saying they weren't doing their jobs and let quality escape the process, then it also says Americans do shoddy work on their end. The main tower was just installed recently and is not the section where the accusations made were talking about. That was all the base structure supports at the beginning of construction.

I know someone who bought a 2000 Ford Winstar not made in China. The paint started chipping away after the warranty expired and the exposed areas were rusting underneath. So it was rusting even before causing the paint to chip off. Anything plastic in and out is coming off and the car has been in recall for the possible rusting in the axel that some people have died when their axels broke-off while driving. I know another person who works for a metro subway system with trains made in Europe. Guess what? All the train operators are getting electrical shocks from touching the instrument panels. So let's quit with the notion that everything Western is made with quality.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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bladerunner said:
Perhaps it goes unreported
Actually years ago I did come across a photo maybe here of a collapsed bridge. It was a county stone? bridge collapsing after rain because of the lack of cement.
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No one built bridges from stone anymore these days either steel or concrete. Stone bridges construction is probably built in pre PRC era or right after PRC
 
bladerunner

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solarz said:
Politics maybe? I've taken the French TGV. It not even as good as China's Dongche, nevermind the new HSR.
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Having riden in a french train along time ago I would have to agree with you. Its not their trains though its their attitude.
I think it was from Calais? I had just got off the ferry from dover and at the station was a train . about 6-7 carriges to acommadate about 600 people with luggage.I and my wife had to stand all the way to Paris. Good job we were packed in like sardines because you could doze off with falling over.


If the inspectors were American, then it certainly wasn't China that fired them.
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True but as Amace pointed out theyll find some way to blame China such as .If they hadnt made a substandard weld job there would be no delays and hence increased costs yada yada.

Keep in mind that this bridge does'nt just have to withstand a earthquake. but built to such a standard it doest need inspection after a quake for continued use according to Mr Zhou. Zenhua's chief executive.

However if you consider this. the amount of hours of work that a employee can be asked to do....

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......"Pan Zhongwang, a 55-year-old steel polisher, is a typical Zhenhua worker. He arrives at 7 a.m. and leaves at 11 p.m., often working seven days a week. He lives in a company dorm and earns about $12 a day.

“It used to be $9 a day, now it’s $12,” he said Wednesday morning, while polishing one of the decks for the new Bay Bridge. “Everything is getting more expensive. They should raise our pay.”

quality issues can be ever present.
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T-U-P said:
The Beijing-Shanghai CRH is not the first and only CRH line that China has. In fact there are a good number of CRH lines in service for a few years now. Why has there been no problem on the other lines (or is it covered up due to the political environment back then?)
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Perhaps it's more difficult to forecast the weather, when and where the next thunderstorms and lightnings will strike. The actual problem has probably to do with protection against natural forces than the equipment hardware.

Funny thing is, if the same thing were to happen in another country like Germany, Singapore or Malaysia, it'll be a non-event as far as the international media is concern.
 
bladerunner

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Quickie said:
Funny thing is, if the same thing were to happen in another country like Germany, Singapore or Malaysia, it'll be a non-event as far as the international media is concern.
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I dunno about that glitches in the train from "london to paris" catches the press attention same with ongoing problems withe the "chunnel"
 
bladerunner

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AssassinsMace said:
I know someone who bought a 2000 Ford Winstar not made in China. The paint started chipping away after the warranty expired and the exposed areas were rusting underneath. So it was rusting even before causing the paint to chip off. Anything plastic in and out is coming off and the car has been in recall for the possible rusting in the axel that some people have died when their axels broke-off while driving. I know another person who works for a metro subway system with trains made in Europe. Guess what? All the train operators are getting electrical shocks from touching the instrument panels. So let's quit with the notion that everything Western is made with quality.
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Its been pretty much accepted that there are very few things that one buys/uses that don't contain components sourced from China boats planes etc etc . Not suggesting anything but reminding you just how much China does supply

Guess what I once lived on a farm that was dependent on ground water for irrigation puropses. It had German made submersible pumps "Grundos" or something like that from memory and usually regarded as pretty good It was set up to pump into holding tanks all through the night. Sometimes I get up the next day to find it hasnt pumped at all or very little. but guess what it was all due to. a sh__y few dollar pressure switch and fuse made in.......INDIA
 
AssassinsMace

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Not from 2000. Even before that American cars were known to be bad quality which is why the Japanese took advantage.
 
bladerunner

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Hendrik_2000 said:
My answer to those critics are these. China has built hundred of bridges ranging from 1 mile to 35 mile long none has so far collapsed due to bad workmanship.
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This collapsed bridge certainly looks like owing to bad workmanship or something.You certainly cant blame it on storms or earthquake

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and this one

courtesy of China daily

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and way back in 2007 China has identified tousands of dangerous bridges for various reasons

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Chinese bridge collapse kills 36

Rescuers carry a victim at the site of a collapsed bridge in Fenghuang

'Rushed' building projects
In pictures: Bridge collapse
At least 36 people were killed and dozens injured when a bridge collapsed while under construction in the town of Fenghuang, in China's Hunan province.

The bridge had reportedly been scheduled to open later this month at what is a popular Chinese tourist spot.

There were 123 workers on the bridge removing scaffolding at the time of the accident, according to the Chinese news agency Xinhua.
China has identified more than 6,300 bridges that are damaged or dangerous......Xiao Rucheng, of the Institute of Bridge and Structural Engineering, was quoted by the paper as saying that many of the newer bridges had been built in haste,

The government in Beijing has pledged to fix or rebuild all the damaged bridges in an ambitious plan to make the country's road network safer by 2010, the China Daily newspaper reported on Tuesday.

If those bridges were built during the current governments time that is nearly 100 poorly built bridges a year plus roads and housing.

another view of the Hangzhou bridge collapse.

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