All is not what it seems within China's High Speed Rail development.
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
I was surprised that there is not more of problems. Giving such an immense project, within blinding speed schedule, problem will surely crop up nothing unusual. Overall China chalk up another success
All those fuss about half empty seat is nothing but rant of western journalist.Eyewitness account the line was fully book except early in the morning
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Deserved or otherwise I think there will be a question mark hanging over products made in China for sometime to come.
Ok on what basis can you substantiate that China makes the bestest trains.
Even when New Zealand used international consultants to recommend Four of the most capable train builders to tender for the half billion locomotive project in Auckland China was not even considered
And not only that it was only a couple of years ago with the Bay Bridge project in SAn Fran. inspectors from America found substandard welding in key parts made by Zenhua a subsidiary of CCCC a prestigous and builder of many bridges around China.
Although the faults were fixed it was claimed that the inspectors were too strict and were later fired.
My point is that they copped so much bad press over the years over quality its proving hard to shake off. As regards the quality of welding that had been found been wanting by Western standards . had this been a internal job would there have been the same concern given the rush to get things done in a great hurry or cost saving and how do we know that this does'nt occur within the railway construction.
Also problems may not crop up straight aways. They can present themselves years from now in the form of premature wearing out etc.
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solarz
Brigadier
Politics maybe? I've taken the French TGV. It not even as good as China's Dongche, nevermind the new HSR.
If the inspectors were American, then it certainly wasn't China that fired them.
Japan had to go through the same phase. Look at where their brands are at now.
The Beijing-Shanghai CRH is not the first and only CRH line that China has. In fact there are a good number of CRH lines in service for a few years now. Why has there been no problem on the other lines (or is it covered up due to the political environment back then?)
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
My answer to those critics are these. China has built hundred of bridges ranging from 1 mile to 35 mile long none has so far collapsed due to bad workmanship.
I mean if you find bad weld during construction, it is nothing unusual that is the reason why they have inspectors in place to witness and check,certify on quality of works
They do have welding procedure and test weld that has to be first approved by the owner in this case the Caltran/designer So if the many production welds are bad maybe they have bad welding procedure ?. That is the responsibility of owner/design engineer and not fabricator
Anyway it is old news the last segment of bay bridge has been delivered. Anyway if you choose bay bridge to highlight China's poor workmanship, you probably choose the wrong place. Bay bridge project is plagued with problems 3.5 times over budget and take 3 times longer than expected
July 11 (Bloomberg) -- The final segments for San Francisco Bay's new suspension bridge are being loaded onto a ship in Shanghai today, moving California's largest current public works project a step closer to completion.
The four steel modules, weighing a combined 5,300 tons, will then make a 22-day journey across the Pacific Ocean, before being joined with 24 other sections already in place. Together, they will help form the world's longest single-tower, self- anchored suspension bridge, stretching 2,047 feet (624 meters).
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AssassinsMace
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This just goes to show all the accusations are questionable. The story about the welds on the new Bay Bridge construction had nothing to do with China. American workers did those welds. The Bay Area shipyards have a lot of cranes shipped from China which is controversial in itself. But the unions prevent any Chinese on those ships delivering those cranes from stepping foot on US soil. They have to stay onboard. So another flawed lie about the welds on the Bay Bridge is blaming it on bad Chinese worksmanship when no Chinese would've been allowed to weld them in the first place. A piece of the old Bay Bridge they're replacing broke a couple years back that closed traffic on the bridge while it was repaired. It was blamed on bad quality Chinese steel. The problem with that charge is the section that broke was part of the original construction. That bridge is about 75 years old. I live the SF Bay Area and there was no tearing down of the anchors because nothing of charges were true. They halted construction to investigate the charges and wasted taxpayers money. Just like the charges about China's HSR, the accusations about the welds on the Bay Bridge was all a political maneuver. They also blamed China for a portion of a highway overpass approach to the Bay Bridge where a gasoline tanker exploded and melted it. You know because US steel doesn't melt. Then there were accusations that the replacement came from China when the replacement portion was constructed in Arizona and delivered in less than a month. Impossible to have come from China. So guess what... they lie! Next thing you'll hear is the World Trade Center towers fell because of bad quality Chinese steel.
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