Aircraft Carriers III

bd popeye

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This is from 2010...
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"The French have conducted many carrier qualifications (CQs) with U.S. aircraft carriers in the past. However, this is the first time that an engine swap-out with a foreign navy has been done on a U.S. carrier," said Cmdr. Tim Hill, the VFA-32 executive officer and air wing liaison for French interoperability exercises. "This is a big step in working towards the ability to operate a French squadron on a U.S. carrier."


On another board, some former US Navy sailor believe it should not be a problem and the French would likely bring at least one "maintenance workshop container":
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Gerry, can you confirm ?

The Marine Nationale were aboard USS Harry S Truman (CVN 75) in June 2010 repairing a Rafale F3.

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MEDITERRANEAN SEA (June 4, 2010) A French navy maintenance team, assigned to Rafale squadron 12F, conducts an engine swap-out aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) as part of interoperability operations with the French navy. Harry S. Truman is deployed as part of the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group supporting maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th and 6th Fleet areas of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Kilho Park/Released)

Now about this 2017 deployment aboard a CVN. I have no way of knowing if this is fact or fiction...I wish I did.:(
 

bd popeye

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I am afraid that the non action on the part of the USN on this occasion will just encourage other forms of bad behaviour in the future to impede transit passage.

I agree. This non-action may lead to other incidents. However I'm 100% sure IF USN commanders were given a less stringent set of "rules of engagement" the action by the US Navy would be quite different.
 

Jeff Head

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This thread is really for other nations carriers, but I thought this was worth posting here. Continue the discussion about it on the PLAN Carrier thread. Anyhow, big news in confirmation.

Reuters is confirming the build of the second Chinese carrier from a Ministry of defense spokesman.

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Reuters said:
BEIJING, Dec 31 (Reuters) - After months of speculation, China confirmed on Thursday it is building a second aircraft carrier to go with an existing one bought second-hand, as neighbours worry about Beijing's new assertiveness to claims in the South China Sea.

Defence Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun said the carrier had been designed in China and was being built in the port of Dalian. Foreign military analysts and Chinese media have for months published satellite images, photographs and news stories purporting to show the second carrier's development.

"China has a long coast line and a vast maritime area under our jurisdiction. To safeguard our maritime sovereignty, interests and rights is the sacred mission of the Chinese armed forces," Yang said.

The design draws on experiences from the country's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, bought from Ukraine in 1998 and refitted in China, Yang said.

Yang said the conventionally powered carrier has a displacement of 50,000 tonnes, will be able to operate the Shenyang J-15 fighter and, unlike the 60,000-tonne Liaoning, have a ski-jump take-off.

Little is known about China's aircraft carrier programme, which is a state secret.

Yang would not say when the second carrier would enter service, saying it depended on progress in the design process.

A Shanghai-based naval expert who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter said tensions in the South China Sea made the carrier particularly necessary to furthering Chinese interests.

"The U.S. has many aircraft carriers that are traveling all over the place in the South China Sea, which has caused problems for us," he said. "Having a second aircraft carrier reduces the pressure on us. It will keep us from being bullied."

China claims almost all the South China Sea, believed to have huge deposits of oil and gas, through which about $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year, and has been building up military facilities like runways on the islands it controls.

Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims.

China says it has no hostile intent and wants to manage the dispute through bilateral talks with the other claimants. Yang also announced the defence ministry had just set up a new hotline with Vietnam, as it seeks to manage the tensions.

But Beijing has been involved in a diplomatic spat with Washington too over ship and aircraft patrols in the region.

Asked whether China was thinking of a third carrier, Yang said that "relevant authorities" would take various factors into consideration about future carrier plans.

The Pentagon, in a report earlier this year, said Beijing could build multiple aircraft carriers over the next 15 years.

Taiwan's Defence Ministry said in September China was building two aircraft carriers that would be the same size as the Liaoning.

Successfully operating the Liaoning is the first step in what state media and some military experts believe will be the deployment of domestically built carriers by 2020.

The Liaoning has taken part in military exercises, including in the South China Sea, but is not yet fully operational.

Last week, the military said the Liaoning had made a "key breakthrough" in shifting from the testing phase to being able to operate ship-borne aircraft, as the country's navy chief paid a visit.
 

damitch300

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I searched the net and havnt found it.
But is there any picture of a combind force of an kiev class and the kuznetsov?
Or two kievs.
Would be interesting to see 2 russian flat tops in one pic.
 

Jeff Head

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I searched the net and havnt found it.
But is there any picture of a combind force of an kiev class and the kuznetsov?
Or two kievs.
Would be interesting to see 2 russian flat tops in one pic.
They did not get together often...but they did on occasion.

Here's the Kiev and Minsk sailing together some time during the 1980s:

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Here's Kuznetsov and Gorshkov (the last Kiev class), docked together:

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Here's a very rare picture of Kuznetsov (right) and Varyag (left) right after Varyag's launch:

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...and finally here's Kuznetsov (foreground) and Vikramaditya (background) before the Vikramaditya was turned over to the Indians. Vikramaditya was the former Russian Gorshkov shown in the earlier picture:

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Jeff Head

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For those who would like to know something about EMALS and how it works, here is a primer. This information is specific to the EMALS system that has been developed for the Ford class carriers of the US Navy, but would also be applicable in principle to any Chinese carrier desiring an EMALS system::

EMALS consists of six major subsystems:

- The Prime Power Interface
- The Launch Motor
- The Power Conversion Electronics
- The Energy Distribution System
- The Launch Control
- The Energy Storage System


Prime Power Interface:
This interface provides the connection to the ship’s electrical distribution system and delivers power to drive the energy storage system.

Launch Motor:
This is a 100,000 horsepower linear induction motor. It is a compact, modular, integrated flight-deck structure that converts electrical current into the electromagnetic forces needed to accelerate aircraft along the launch track. The system is designed to be able to tolerate a broad range of conditions and aircraft on the flight deck. A moving shuttle attaches to the aircraft in the same manner as existing steam catapults. After the aircraft launches, the electric current in the motor reverses to brake the shuttle to a complete halt without the use of any water brake.

Removing the water break deletes a layer of complexity to the system and also contributes to the rest and quality of life of personnel sleeping a couple decks below in junior officers quarters who now do not have to deal wth the sound of the water break's operation.

Power Conversion Electronics:
This system takes the power from the power storage system and converts it to a traveling wave of energy of the appropriate voltage and current to drive the shuttle along the launch track for the appropriate load (aircraft). Based on solid-state technology, the conversion electronics are packaged as compact modules in cabinets located below deck.

Energy Distribution System:
This system delivers the energy from the power conversion system to the launch motor. The system is comprised of cables, disconnects, and terminations to precisely deliver the power required. This incorporates a closed loop control system with real time diagnostic health monitoring that can detect launch anomalies within 500 microseconds and adjust the system to compensate for issues ranging from aircraft engine flameouts to blown tires.

Launch Control:
EMALS uses a state-of-the-art components to finitely deliver the current into the launch motor in real time. This allows more precise end-speeds to be achieved over a wider range of aircraft types and weights than with a steam catapult. System architecture with several layers of inherent redundancy is achieved using commercial off-the-shelf components where possible, and modularity is emphasized to ease installation and maintenance.

Energy Storage System:
Potential energy for EMALS is stored with a highly developed flywheel system that fully powers each cat stroke, even if the electrical power supply is temporarily disrupted. Enough energy is stored to power mulitple two- to three-second launches. The system is recharged by ship’s power system.
 

asif iqbal

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Wow just wow

Nice pics Jeff this shows the high of the Soviet naval power two STOBARS wow !! Have you got anymore ??

Right at the end they finally managed to get carriers under way and with the Ulyanovsk carrier they nailed it but then collapsed before it was ready

All in all then had

2 x Moskva
4 x Kiev
2 x Kuznetsov
1 x Ulyanovsk

That's 9 x flat decks a very powerful naval force second only to USN

Height of the Soviet power

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