Jura The idiot
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... now was sorry to read some Sailors had been involved in some other "procedures" in Jacksonville, FL
Aircraft Carriers III
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Meanwhile back on this side of the pond, Captain Ian Groom, hitherto the “Build” captain of HMS Prince of Wales as she was assembled, named and continues being fitted out at Rosyth dockyard, was Dined-Out last week. He is posted on and is shortly to be replaced by Captain Stephen Moorhouse (ex Captain of HMS Ocean) - the PoW’s first “sea-going” captain who will lead the new ship’s crew to be ready for its sea trials in Autumn 2019 and through her commissioning and IOC declaration.
Just recently the operations room of the PoW was handed over by the builders to the RN having been completed:
Not many countries can build Aircraft Carriers. Fewer can build the big ones, and fewer still can build more than one at the same time...
Just recently the operations room of the PoW was handed over by the builders to the RN having been completed: Not many countries can build Aircraft Carriers. Fewer can build the big ones, and fewer still can build more than one at the same time...
So a few sailors on shore leave went to a bar, got drunk and one is alleged to have pissed over a balcony into the street? Typical Friday night where I come from! Actually quite tame when you think about it...
Exactly...Real sailors still live. Today we went to visit my 90yr old father in law who is well and lives on an farm all alone. He was in the USN from 1946 to 1953. Trust me he has some wild stories. Things happen. Sailors do stuff. they just do.
I found the story about the urinating incident....I'd bet that the sailors involved were of the younger generation or on their first overseas deployment. wait a minute.. you have to be 21 to drink in the US..that's everywhere....hummm....
Six Royal Navy sailors have been arrested for drunk and disorderly behaviour in the US after the first transatlantic voyage of Britain’s £3 billion aircraft carrier.
Two of the sailors from HMS Queen Elizabeth were tasered by police while witnesses reported seeing sailors urinating from a pub balcony into the street.
According to local police reports, three of the six sailors resisted arrest. A seventh member of the aircraft carrier’s crew was taken into custody for trespass.
The 65,000-ton ship, nicknamed Big Lizzie, began her maiden transatlantic voyage last month and docked at Mayport naval base on Wednesday.
But within hours of reaching dry land, hundreds of the crew began drinking. While the vast majority were well behaved, some fought among themselves in Jacksonville Beach, Florida, on Wednesday night, according to local police.
Police sergeant Larry Smith said: ‘Six sailors were arrested in the bar district and all the offences were alcohol related, such as disorderly intoxication and resisting arrest.’
He added that one of the two sailors tasered had been tackled by a female police officer who took action when he refused to stop fighting.
Violence broke out outside Lynch’s Irish Bar. A manager said: ‘The Royal Navy guys came in like a flood, boom. Like they had suddenly been let out of a cage and now they were free. It was unreal and we just weren’t prepared for it.’
The nearby Tavern bar has now banned all Queen Elizabeth personnel because of the sailors’ aggressive behaviour on Wednesday night.
The six sailors appeared in a Florida court on Thursday morning and were released. It is unclear whether they face any further criminal action in the state.
But they do face further sanctions under UK military law.
Last night, former head of the Royal Navy, Admiral Lord West, played down the incident. He said: ‘You might get one or two people behaving badly. That certainly happened in my 53 years in the Navy.’
A Ministry of Defence spokesman added: ‘The Naval Service places great importance on maintaining the highest possible standards of behaviour from its personnel at all times.’
Six Royal Navy sailors have been arrested for drunk and disorderly behaviour in the US after the first transatlantic voyage of Britain’s £3 billion aircraft carrier.
Two of the sailors from HMS Queen Elizabeth were tasered by police while witnesses reported seeing sailors urinating from a pub balcony into the street.
According to local police reports, three of the six sailors resisted arrest. A seventh member of the aircraft carrier’s crew was taken into custody for trespass.
The 65,000-ton ship, nicknamed Big Lizzie, began her maiden transatlantic voyage last month and docked at Mayport naval base on Wednesday.
But within hours of reaching dry land, hundreds of the crew began drinking. While the vast majority were well behaved, some fought among themselves in Jacksonville Beach, Florida, on Wednesday night, according to local police.
Police sergeant Larry Smith said: ‘Six sailors were arrested in the bar district and all the offences were alcohol related, such as disorderly intoxication and resisting arrest.’
He added that one of the two sailors tasered had been tackled by a female police officer who took action when he refused to stop fighting.
Violence broke out outside Lynch’s Irish Bar. A manager said: ‘The Royal Navy guys came in like a flood, boom. Like they had suddenly been let out of a cage and now they were free. It was unreal and we just weren’t prepared for it.’
The nearby Tavern bar has now banned all Queen Elizabeth personnel because of the sailors’ aggressive behaviour on Wednesday night.
The six sailors appeared in a Florida court on Thursday morning and were released. It is unclear whether they face any further criminal action in the state.
But they do face further sanctions under UK military law.
Last night, former head of the Royal Navy, Admiral Lord West, played down the incident. He said: ‘You might get one or two people behaving badly. That certainly happened in my 53 years in the Navy.’
A Ministry of Defence spokesman added: ‘The Naval Service places great importance on maintaining the highest possible standards of behaviour from its personnel at all times.’
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The American perspective..
By Joe Daraskevich
Posted Sep 7, 2018 at 5:37 PM
Business was booming at the beach bars and restaurants in Northeast Florida this week, thanks to hundreds of British sailors who arrived Wednesday when the new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth docked for a logistics stop at Naval Station Mayport.
When the ship pulled into port, there wasn’t much publicity, despite the rush of men and women who would soon spread out to the three Beaches communities.
The sailors only had a few days in port to stretch their legs, so many of them took to the town Wednesday night without much warning.
“I think we need a modern day Paul Revere
to let us know that the British are coming,” said Keith Doherty, a general manager at Lynch’s Irish Pub in the heart of Jacksonville Beach. “I know a lot of places were understaffed and that caused a lot of issues.”
He said his bar didn’t have some of the problems other establishments experienced because they have security staffed every night of the week. Other places are prepared for heavy crowds on the weekends, Doherty said, but a mid-week rush can be a lot to handle.
Doherty said he’s heard rumors that hundreds of sailors were arrested in one night, but the reality isn’t quite as extreme.
Sgt. Larry Smith of the Jacksonville Beach Police Department said six British sailors were taken into custody on mostly drunk and disorderly charges, and three of them were also charged with resisting arrest. Of the three who were resisting, Smith said one was pushing and pulling away from an officer, another wouldn’t put his hands behind his back and the other was just being a little disrespectful.
The sailor who wouldn’t put his hands behind his back had to be stunned with a Taser before he was arrested, Smith said.
Smith said all the arrests happened late Wednesday or early Thursday, and officers haven’t had any issues after talking to ship leaders.
Authorities said no British sailors were arrested in Atlantic Beach, and a spokesman wasn’t available Friday to comment on any arrests in Neptune Beach.
Smith said the problem wasn’t sailors getting into drunken fights with locals. The problem was more that they were getting in fights with each other.
“These guys come in town periodically,” Smith said. “They beat the mess out of each other and fight each other more than anything, but once they pick up their teeth off the ground they are best friends.”
He said one of the six arrests happened at Lynch’s where a sailor was asked to leave and came back. Smith said he was arrested on a trespassing charge.
Some bar managers said their were problems at first with the sailors not tipping well, but they generally understood the custom is different in the United States.
“They tipped a little under 10 percent, and I don’t think they knew they were doing anything wrong,” said Haleigh Snow, a manager at Poe’s Tavern in Atlantic Beach. “Other than that, we haven’t had any trouble.”
Most establishments the Times-Union talked to said they welcomed the extra business and rely heavily on the military during slower months.
But Doherty brought up the point that a little more notice would have been helpful to make sure all the bars had enough staff working for the crowds.
“I think their sailors are the same as our guys. When they get shore leave, they like to relax and have a good time,” Doherty said. “The majority of the sailors from the carrier have been great customers.”
By Joe Daraskevich
Posted Sep 7, 2018 at 5:37 PM
Business was booming at the beach bars and restaurants in Northeast Florida this week, thanks to hundreds of British sailors who arrived Wednesday when the new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth docked for a logistics stop at Naval Station Mayport.
When the ship pulled into port, there wasn’t much publicity, despite the rush of men and women who would soon spread out to the three Beaches communities.
The sailors only had a few days in port to stretch their legs, so many of them took to the town Wednesday night without much warning.
“I think we need a modern day Paul Revere
He said his bar didn’t have some of the problems other establishments experienced because they have security staffed every night of the week. Other places are prepared for heavy crowds on the weekends, Doherty said, but a mid-week rush can be a lot to handle.
Doherty said he’s heard rumors that hundreds of sailors were arrested in one night, but the reality isn’t quite as extreme.
Sgt. Larry Smith of the Jacksonville Beach Police Department said six British sailors were taken into custody on mostly drunk and disorderly charges, and three of them were also charged with resisting arrest. Of the three who were resisting, Smith said one was pushing and pulling away from an officer, another wouldn’t put his hands behind his back and the other was just being a little disrespectful.
The sailor who wouldn’t put his hands behind his back had to be stunned with a Taser before he was arrested, Smith said.
Smith said all the arrests happened late Wednesday or early Thursday, and officers haven’t had any issues after talking to ship leaders.
Authorities said no British sailors were arrested in Atlantic Beach, and a spokesman wasn’t available Friday to comment on any arrests in Neptune Beach.
Smith said the problem wasn’t sailors getting into drunken fights with locals. The problem was more that they were getting in fights with each other.
“These guys come in town periodically,” Smith said. “They beat the mess out of each other and fight each other more than anything, but once they pick up their teeth off the ground they are best friends.”
He said one of the six arrests happened at Lynch’s where a sailor was asked to leave and came back. Smith said he was arrested on a trespassing charge.
Some bar managers said their were problems at first with the sailors not tipping well, but they generally understood the custom is different in the United States.
“They tipped a little under 10 percent, and I don’t think they knew they were doing anything wrong,” said Haleigh Snow, a manager at Poe’s Tavern in Atlantic Beach. “Other than that, we haven’t had any trouble.”
Most establishments the Times-Union talked to said they welcomed the extra business and rely heavily on the military during slower months.
But Doherty brought up the point that a little more notice would have been helpful to make sure all the bars had enough staff working for the crowds.
“I think their sailors are the same as our guys. When they get shore leave, they like to relax and have a good time,” Doherty said. “The majority of the sailors from the carrier have been great customers.”
They weren't fighting locals, they were just letting off steam, like sailors have done for centuries. I like the bit about "once they pick up their teeth off the ground they are best friends", and out of a crew of around 800 there were six arrests? Not a serious problem by anyone's reckoning really. Britain is a 'pub culture' (there's a pub onboard the Carrier!), the legal age for drinking is 18 and we all start a lot younger than that (to build up a tolerance!) and our beer is STRONG! Well a lot of it is German or Scandinavian and they know how to make good beer! American Beer by contrast is known worldwide as being like 'making love in a canoe' (It's F***ing close to water, as the Aussies say!)(we have a lot of Aussie beers here too)(please excuse all these brackets), so we have potential for a small culture clash there.
As for tipping, in most countries outside the US, waiting staff are paid a fair wage to start with and don't rely on tips to make it up to a living level, so the tip is really just a thank you for good service rather than 'your boss is a tightwad and here's some cash so you can eat this week'. In Scandinavian countries if you leave a tip for the waiter they tend to give it back as they think you assume they aren't being paid. It's a bit insulting to them actually. I suspect nobody briefed the sailors on the rules of tipping before they went on shore leave. Simple misunderstanding, after all there's a lot of youngsters in the crew who've never been abroad (apart from Spain) before.
As for tipping, in most countries outside the US, waiting staff are paid a fair wage to start with and don't rely on tips to make it up to a living level, so the tip is really just a thank you for good service rather than 'your boss is a tightwad and here's some cash so you can eat this week'. In Scandinavian countries if you leave a tip for the waiter they tend to give it back as they think you assume they aren't being paid. It's a bit insulting to them actually. I suspect nobody briefed the sailors on the rules of tipping before they went on shore leave. Simple misunderstanding, after all there's a lot of youngsters in the crew who've never been abroad (apart from Spain) before.
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check this bit lol
"The Royal Navy guys came in like a flood, boom. Like they had suddenly been let out of a cage and now they were free. It was unreal and we just weren’t prepared for it.’
Pretty normal if some Scots were on board
However the carrier has its down police station and own police, also under Military rules you can be in serious trouble because Royal Navy takes its reputation VERY seriously
Something as trivial as shaving is also taken seriously, you don't shave and don't have a good reason you will be forced to shave or face escalation
If you don't shave but maintain a "tidy look" this is then inspected by by higher authority and if deemed "tidy" you might get away with it by trimming sides
One time a new recruit was 15 minutes late arriving on board a Astute Class, he was called into Captains room and asked to give a explanation
Then a small court consisting of few other high ranking officers decide on the outcome
He was not thrown out but very heavily disciplined and made clear any more late comings and he will have to pack his bags, he was a few weeks in and showed great promise which was the reason he was allowed to stay, also he was very tall and had to bend down everywhere on the submarine but kept working hard
The sailors are briefed before they are disembarked, and also briefed once on board again
Those guys will be under real pressure right now basically what I am saying is Royal Navy takes these things really seriously and there will be no messing around once they are back on board
"The Royal Navy guys came in like a flood, boom. Like they had suddenly been let out of a cage and now they were free. It was unreal and we just weren’t prepared for it.’
Pretty normal if some Scots were on board
However the carrier has its down police station and own police, also under Military rules you can be in serious trouble because Royal Navy takes its reputation VERY seriously
Something as trivial as shaving is also taken seriously, you don't shave and don't have a good reason you will be forced to shave or face escalation
If you don't shave but maintain a "tidy look" this is then inspected by by higher authority and if deemed "tidy" you might get away with it by trimming sides
One time a new recruit was 15 minutes late arriving on board a Astute Class, he was called into Captains room and asked to give a explanation
Then a small court consisting of few other high ranking officers decide on the outcome
He was not thrown out but very heavily disciplined and made clear any more late comings and he will have to pack his bags, he was a few weeks in and showed great promise which was the reason he was allowed to stay, also he was very tall and had to bend down everywhere on the submarine but kept working hard
The sailors are briefed before they are disembarked, and also briefed once on board again
Those guys will be under real pressure right now basically what I am saying is Royal Navy takes these things really seriously and there will be no messing around once they are back on board
Intrepid
Major
Then they certainly behaved better than ordinary British tourists.
In many US states allow the wait staff to be paid less than minimum wage because of tipping. Restaurants know how much a good wait staff should receive in tips. I have no idea how this started.
As far as tipping outside of the US I know in Mexico and the Philippines tips are EXPECTED from Americans.
I hope the ship gets underway and conducts OPS as expected. However...there is a Hurricane bearing down on the East Coast of the US.
However I know I saw a video where she was loaded up with humanitarian supplies just in case she may have to assist in any disaster relief efforts during the hurricane season.