Aircraft Carriers III

FORBIN

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Interesting before retirement announcement
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Carrier (NAVIO-AERODROMO) A 12 BMS SÃO PAULO (EX-FOCH):
an old servant who does not have the Olympic form!

The retirement of the Indian carrier R 22 Vikrant (formerly HMS Hermes) reminds us that another unit of the same generation, São Paulo, is still officially in service. Indeed, the old warrior Foch went to serve under other skies under this name. Despite the sun, its joints are tired by a long career under national flag and its exits are interspersed with long periods of maintenance and fitness ...

On 15 November 2000, after long negotiations, Brazil bought the Foch, for 84 million francs, in order to replace the A 11 BMS Minas Gerais (ex-HMS Vengeance). Le Foch, renamed A 12 BMS São Paulo, underwent an adaptation project in Brest, during which the following equipment was landed: - the Crotale EDIR and SACP Sadral systems; - satellite transmission systems Syracuse, Fleetsatcom, Immarsat; - SENIT 2, AIDCOMER combat and command leadership systems; - electronic warfare equipment such as ARBB-33 jammers, the ARBR-17 detector and the Sagaie lure-throwers. During this project, the aircraft carrier is adapted to Brazilian standards and receives a combat management system(Sistema deProcessamento de Dados Tacticos Navas) Siconta-1. The aircraft carrier's self-defense is confined to three Simbad dual systems allowing the launch of Mistral short-range missiles and 5 Browning heavy machine guns of 12.7 mm.

The vessel, which was rearmed early on 9 November 2000, was officially transferred to Marinha do Brasil on the day of signature of the contract. He left Brest on 1 February 2001 with a crew of 600 Brazilian sailors and 16 French technicians. After a stopover in Dakar between 7 and 9 February, São Paulo crosses the Atlantic and arrives "triumphantly" in Rio de Janeiro on 17 February. The arrival of the aircraft carrier will allow the Brazilian Navy to definitely disarm the A 11 Minas Gerais on 10 October 2001

It is in this context that São Paulo is carrying out new tests of machines in Guanabara Bay between 12 and 23 June 2013. In November, a DCNS team goes to Brazil to check the restoration work Of the catapult but, bad news for France, on December 18, 2013, the Brazilian president announces that the Brazilian aviation will ultimately be equipped with Swedish hunters. On October 24, 2014, the contract was signed for the purchase of 28 Gripen E and 8 Gripen F, of which 15 were assembled locally, with the aircraft to be delivered between 2019 and 2024. Brazil even plans to purchase 108 aircraft in the future, On 6 November 2014 the Brazilian Navy officially declares its interest in the Sea Grippen ...

In theory, São Paulo was to be declared operational by early 2014 and according to Brazilian sources it should have received two Albatros octuples systems for the launch of AA Aspide missiles (4), two Bofors Trinity guns and two radars RTN-30X Rifle Shooting ... Even though it is well maintained and does not sail very much, the ship is not eternal and is unlikely to be able to be maintained in service beyond 2025; He will then have 62 years of service behind him. Also, will Brazil consider the construction of two 60,000-tonne STOBAR aircraft (Projeto "Poseidom") (5) or CATOBAR ("Pogramma F-X2") derived from the French PA-2 project ) (6), which could have been delivered by 2032, but the deterioration of the economic situation coupled with the preparation of the "Olympic Games" against a backdrop of political crisis, is going to overlook both the modernization projects of Sao Paulo Than in the manufacture of new units.

On May 26, 2015, the first modernized Douglas AF-1 Skyhawk is delivered but still no aircraft carrier in sight ... One year later, on July 27, 2016, during the preparation of the air parade to mark the opening of the Games Rio, two AF-1s collide and one of the apparatus crashes at sea by killing its pilot, 23 miles off the coast ...

At the latest news, the Brazilian authorities again talked about modernizing São Paulo between 2017 and 2021 so that it could be kept in service until the end of the 2030s, with DCNS Recasting ... Nothing is less certain and the Brazilian navy is not the only one to ask questions about the future of the carriers by 2030. Moreover the dismissal of the president Dilma Rousseff opens perhaps on A long period of political instability not favorable to choices in this field ...
 

bd popeye

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I can't imagine keeping the ship around until the 2030's..I feel this is just a lot of bravado. Brasil has done little to maintain the ship the last 17 years they've had possesion of her. Will they build two 60,000 ton CVs? If their past history of CVs means anything..they will not build any CVs.. Yes I feel Brasil is out of the CV scene.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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I can't imagine keeping the ship around until the 2030's..I feel this is just a lot of bravado. Brasil has done little to maintain the ship the last 17 years they've had possesion of her. Will they build two 60,000 ton CVs? If their past history of CVs means anything..they will not build any CVs.. Yes I feel Brasil is out of the CV scene.
They already announced they were giving up on her and any replacement a little while ago, sorry, I thought this had already been reported:
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thought I might share the views (which I found in
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) from Tartus, Syria in December of last year showing the Admiral Kuznetsov being replenished by a Russian self-propelled floating crane:
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bd popeye

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Jura.. you should not hotlink photos. Th photos do not appear in your post..I tried to open your photos in a seperate window. but this is what I see when I open them;

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Air Force Brat

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I can see them Ok, perhaps it's more to do with which country they and/or you are in?

I see em too Obi Wan, better yet, I'm picturing you on your Fender Strat beating out Deep Purples, "SMOKE ON the WATER! there Fire in the SKY! da, da, da,,,,, da, da, da, da,,,,, da, da,,,,, da, da, daaaaaaaa! maybe SamPan can join you on his electro keyboard!

Course I could be your manager, everybody needs one of those??? don't they,,,, whadda you think, whata about you SamPan, you haven's sent me any originals, maybe you could play me a riff of "Smoke on the Water" on your next keyboard upload????

I bet Jura and BD Popeye could handle the vocals????
 
Jura.. you should not hotlink photos. Th photos do not appear in your post..I tried to open your photos in a seperate window. but this is what I see when I open them;
sorry for the mess ... those pictures again (I'm sure I uploaded them using Image functionality now):

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bd popeye

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Humm.. I can see them now... I'll reload them.

I now have proof positive that the Russians CANNOT replenish "ADM K" while underway. Pitiful real pitiful.....I guess a VERTREP is out of the question.:eek:

I bet Jura and BD Popeye could handle the vocals????

Naw.. All I can do is >>> Psalm 100 verse 1 >>>> Make a joyful noise unto the Lord....
 
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Obi Wan Russell

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I see em too Obi Wan, better yet, I'm picturing you on your Fender Strat beating out Deep Purples, "SMOKE ON the WATER! there Fire in the SKY! da, da, da,,,,, da, da, da, da,,,,, da, da,,,,, da, da, daaaaaaaa! maybe SamPan can join you on his electro keyboard!

Course I could be your manager, everybody needs one of those??? don't they,,,, whadda you think, whata about you SamPan, you haven's sent me any originals, maybe you could play me a riff of "Smoke on the Water" on your next keyboard upload????

I bet Jura and BD Popeye could handle the vocals????
PM your email address and I'll send you some of our recordings! Or search for Born Awkward on facebook, there's some live videos posted on our page! Shameless plug I know, but he asked!

As for the Adm K apparent inability to RAS, well the Russians stole plans for just about everything else the west does (just watched an old documentary about the reverse engineered TU-4/B-29. That was just the tip of the iceberg...), perhaps they only paid attention to the glamourous end of our defence technology and ignored the more mundane yet essential everyday stuff like replenishment underway. I mean it's not like there aren't countless articles and videos in the public domain on how to do it and the potential dangers to watch out for. Western carriers have been RAS-ing since WW2, what excuse have the Russian Navy got for not being competent in the art after all these decades?
 
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