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navyreco said:

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Why is Iran building a mock US aircraft carrier?

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wtf...

If this is a functional CV then I am the Pope

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Not meant to be operational.

They will build something that exteriorly looks like a US carrier...paint it up...perhaps put a few of their old, non-flyable, non-working, scavenged F-14s on it, and then blow it up with some missiles for propaganda purposes for their own populace. Probably try and sell it as their mighty armed forces having taught the Americans a lesson.

I watched the videos of the LRASM competitors only after they are not competitors anymore



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"Raytheon Missile Systems and Norway's Kongsberg Defense & Aerospace have filed a joint bid protest of the Defense Department's decision to award Lockheed Martin a major follow-on development contract to prepare its Long Range Anti-Ship Missile for production after rejecting bids from Raytheon and Kongsberg for alternative weapons, Inside the Navy has learned."

A moment ago I got a trial subscription of Inside Defence/Navy and read Raytheon, Kongsberg whining

Jeff Head said:

Not meant to be operational.

They will build something that exteriorly looks like a US carrier...paint it up...perhaps put a few of their old, non-flyable, non-working, scavenged F-14s on it, and then blow it up with some missiles for propaganda purposes for their own populace. Probably try and sell it as their mighty armed forces having taught the Americans a lesson.

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No. Many people in Iran use Internet nowadays. It is not backward country as many in the West portray it . In fact, folks on Iranian forums are discussing this same question. Official explanation is that they are making some movie about downing of Iran Air Flight 655. That may not be true, but I'm certain they could not fool anyone in Iran that this is real American carrier.

The movie story is highly dubious. With CGI and physical models, both technologies available to Iran there is no need to build a model of this scale. It's a expensive waste of money. Additionally you are correct no one is going to think that a real Nimitz class carrier was sunk. But but some will think this proves that Iran could. The fact that the target carrier is a wooden barge with some dummy jets will skip some people who will watch the video and not even think about the massive differences. Its not the first time the Iranian government has tried to pull the wool over peoples eyes they tried to pass of the Q313 mock up as a testing prototype.
the only real success this would prove if it seceded is to prove the Iranian guidance system can find some thing that looks like a carrier.

Have you heard of shipborne rolling vertical landing (SRVL) yet? In case you haven't (as me, of course check this:

Jeff Head said:

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Anyhow, just because they do not get the George Washington retired early (and I pray they do not), it does not mean that they need to replace those supposed "savings" by prematurely retiring other vessels, or cutting into other future programs necessary for the onging security of the nation. As I say, there is a wealth of other pograms which are failing and fraudulent which can provide the savings needed.

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I remembered this two weeks old discussion and, having Inside the Navy trial subscription, I found this:
"For the future years defense plan spanning FY-15 through FY-19, the Navy's budget request includes $2.3 billion for CVN-73 inactivation."
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Is this true, I mean more than 2b to pay to get rid of a carrier??

Jura said:

I remembered this two weeks old discussion and, having Inside the Navy trial subscription, I found this:
"For the future years defense plan spanning FY-15 through FY-19, the Navy's budget request includes $2.3 billion for CVN-73 inactivation."
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Is this true, I mean more than 2b to pay to get rid of a carrier??

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Yep, someone has to pay to defuel and cleanup a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. Plus, I would imagine they would want to cannibalize any good components off of her before sending her to the scrappers, and I would hardly believe that a ship this size can be economically scrapped in the US. Lots of environmental and health & safety issues surrounding scrapping ships in the US. I remember that the Forrestal was sold for scrapping for only a penny to scrapper in Texas.

thunderchief said:

No.

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Yes.

thunderchief said:

Many people in Iran use Internet nowadays. It is not backward country as many in the West portray it . In fact, folks on Iranian forums are discussing this same question. Official explanation is that they are making some movie about downing of Iran Air Flight 655. That may not be true, but I'm certain they could not fool anyone in Iran that this is real American carrier.

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I have a close friend from Iran who was with me at MD Anderson hosptial when I went through my cancer surgeries in 2010.

We have become good friends and keep in regular contact. He underwent similar surgeries to me for his own Chordoma Cancer. He and his family live in Houston. Mohammed went back home to Iran after his recovery to see his parents because he did not expect to see them again.

Many people in Iran...in fact the largest segment of the population, do not have internet access. He has related this to me on numerous occassions. And what they do have is closely monitored by the government. The government supression of free speech, and its constant propoganda is the main reason he left Iran many years ago.

There are those in Iran who do have access...and there are millions of them...but they are nothing like the majority of people there, and the internet access is closey monitored

The Iranian government can, and regularly does, foist propoganda on its citizens. The same occurs in virtually all nations. But in Iran it is much more effective precisely because the people are not as well informed. Those who have been able to become more informed, revoloted in 2009 after the elections and were brutally put down.

Having an education in such a country and not being "backward," does not mean that they are well informed on international issues.

What you see on a few internet forums, which are monitored by the government, does not at all reflect what the vast majority of Iranians experience.

Jeff Head said:

Many people in Iran...in fact the largest segment of the population, do not have internet access. He has related this to me on numerous occassions. And what they do have is closely monitored by the government. The government supression of free speech, and its constant propoganda is the main reason he left Iran many years ago.

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Internet penetration in Iran in 2012 was 26% . That means even if you don't have access, you probably do know somebody who does. When some information reaches certain percentage of population, it is practically unstoppable because of rumor mill. I'm certain that everybody in Tehran who is remotely interested in aircraft carriers does know about this mockup. Btw, Iranian government is not trying to hide it, we have close-up pictures from that Hashemi guy.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

The movie story is highly dubious. With CGI and physical models, both technologies available to Iran there is no need to build a model of this scale. It's a expensive waste of money. Additionally you are correct no one is going to think that a real Nimitz class carrier was sunk. But but some will think this proves that Iran could. The fact that the target carrier is a wooden barge with some dummy jets will skip some people who will watch the video and not even think about the massive differences. Its not the first time the Iranian government has tried to pull the wool over peoples eyes they tried to pass of the Q313 mock up as a testing prototype.
the only real success this would prove if it seceded is to prove the Iranian guidance system can find some thing that looks like a carrier.

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Another story circulating around is that they are going to use this "carrier" to test anti-ship ballistic missile (similar to DF-21D ) on it. And let me tell you, if they could hit carrier-sized target in open sea (even if stationary) and prove it, I won't be amused. And neither will USN .

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Another story circulating around is that they are going to use this "carrier" to test anti-ship ballistic missile (similar to DF-21D ) on it. And let me tell you, if they could hit carrier-sized target in open sea (even if stationary) and prove it, I won't be amused. And neither will USN .

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We have had many arguments about the DF-21 here at SDF hitting a stationary target and never hitting a mobile target at sea.

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Of course they will be able to hit the "carrier". They will know where it is. Perhaps they will try to torpedo the CV. Who knows? We don' know their real intentions.

Any idea what she is made of?