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TerraN_EmpirE

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wood. pops its a barge or due to size barges mated together with the upper portion of a Mock Carrier built on top. like the above-the-water-line mockup Paramount built for the Hunt for Red October. They will Tow it out for any water use.
 

thunderchief

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Of course they will be able to hit the "carrier". They will know where it is. Perhaps they will try to torpedo the CV. Who knows? We don' know their real intentions.

It is not that easy. First they need to measure coordinates of the barge then to transmit them to battery. And possibly they would need to update coordinates and to re-target missile in flight, because barge may drift with the current. Overall, if they manage to do all that. it will show pretty good capabilities. Maybe not good enough for real thing, but still very worrying .

On the other hand, they may use regular anti-ship missiles and torpedoes, testing their swarming tactics . That would also be interesting to watch.
 

Jeff Head

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It is not that easy. First they need to measure coordinates of the barge then to transmit them to battery. And possibly they would need to update coordinates and to re-target missile in flight, because barge may drift with the current. Overall, if they manage to do all that. it will show pretty good capabilities. Maybe not good enough for real thing, but still very worrying.
Not only "not good enough for the real thing." but nowhere near good enough for the real thing. Not even close.

The thing they have built is a big barge. It would probably be anchored in place and move very little if at all. They will already know exactly where it is.

Now, we already know that the Iranians have a fairly advanced short-to medium range ballitsic missile program. I am not sure what their CEP for their guided missiles is, but with a carrier that is 1,000 ft long, and over 250 ft wide, I have to believe thet they have something that is more accurate than 150 meters CEP in one direction, or 40 meters CEP in the other.

So, what they will prove with a shot at a stationary carrier in the Persian Gulf is that they can hit a stationary target with at least a 40 meter CEP. That's all.

If they do that, they will have done more and showed the world more with respect to an actual live fire of an ASD ballistic missile weapon than the Chinese have done with their DF-21...although it can be argued, that by hitting the outline in the desert the Chinese accomplished pretty much exactly the same thing.

But, as Popeye said, the OIranians will already know where it is, and it will not be moving. That's exactly what the Chinese showed.

Hitting a manuevering carrier, hundreds of miles away, and doing so in a heavy EW environment, and in a serious anti-missile defense envoironment, is many orders of magnitude harder. No one in the world has demosntrated such a capbility with any intermediate range ballistic missiles to date.

It would be a LOT more impressive if they were towing this thing with remote vessels of some type, even at 10 knots, and hit it, than having it sitting there, basically at acnhor.

If that is what they do...it will be all the more reason to know it is a huge propoganda ploy, because it will not actually show anything more than what we already know they can do.

But it would make for some really neat photos and videos. Add a little CGI, and mix in some of the existing film of huge explosions and fires aboard US Navy super carriers from the accidents during the Vietnam War, and they could make a really good and compelling propoganda piece for local consumption.
 

thunderchief

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The thing they have built is a big barge. It would probably be anchored in place and move very little if at all. They will already know exactly where it is.

Well, if they hit anchored barge that won't be very impressive. But there is no point in speculating further, I guess we will have to wait and see.
 

bd popeye

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I just saw these on navy.mil.

These Dokdo photos are posted in hi-res. Just right click and select view image. Or if the click takes you to imgur just click on the photo again and it will be in hi-res.


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EAST CHINA SEA (March 27, 2014) The Republic of Korea amphibious assault ship ROKS Dokdo (LPH-6111), assigned to Commander, Flotilla (COMFLOT) 5, transits alongside the forward-deployed amphibious assault ship USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6) and other ships from COMFLOT-5 and the Bonhomme Richard Amphibious Ready Group during a photo exercise as part of Exercise Ssang Yong. The annual combined exercise is conducted by Navy and Marine forces with the Republic of Korea in order to strengthen interoperability across the range of military operations. (U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Michael Achterling/Released)
 
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I watched the videos of the LRASM competitors only after they are not competitors anymore :)

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"Raytheon Missile Systems and Norway's Kongsberg Defense & Aerospace have filed a joint bid protest of the Defense Department's decision to award Lockheed Martin a major follow-on development contract to prepare its Long Range Anti-Ship Missile for production after rejecting bids from Raytheon and Kongsberg for alternative weapons, Inside the Navy has learned."

A moment ago I got a trial subscription of Inside Defence/Navy and read Raytheon, Kongsberg whining :)

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Rutim

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I just saw this on navy.mil. for hi-res right click and select view image.
Great photos of Dokdo! It's rare when they publish a picture of this ship and it's even hard to get some good photos of the actual Korean ships photos even in Korean www sphere ;)
 

Jeff Head

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I just saw these on navy.mil.
The Koreans are going to build another one, potentially with a ski-jump, and then perhaps go back and retrofit a ski-jump onto the Dokdo too.

Then both will be able to operated F-35Bs if they so choose.
 
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