The George Bush had an unmanned visitor today at 13:40 hours!!!!!!!!! brat
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The George Bush had an unmanned visitor today at 13:40 hours!!!!!!!!! brat
thunderchief
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Folks on Indian forums claim it is INS Vikramaditya , pictures from the recent trials . It is around 10 degrees centigrade in Murmansk and judging by the clothing this could be it .
If that is on the Vikramaditya during current trials, I would LOVE to see a vdieo of the aircraft launching with that load!
That would be mounmental, and would move the Indian program along very quickly. The Indians already have already taken delivery of numerous Mig-29K naval aircraft that they have been training on. If they could move to THAT type carrier training fairly quickly, it would establish the Virkamaditya as all the more capable.
thunderchief
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Well , I managed to locate video , it is from INS Vikramaditya , but from last year .
You could chechk it right here , fun part is from 2:30 : p.s. few more pics of Mig-29 K with ordnance and fuel from last year , some on Vikramaditya , some on Kusnetzov . Probably a repost , but lets refresh some memory .
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Folks, as regards modern Aircraft Carriers, people can say what they will, but the nation that has built the most currently operational fixed-wing, full-sized aircraft carriers next to the United States, is Russia.
It's a tribute to their expertise and abilities...even though only one of them is currently operated by the Russian Navy, and it took a whole lot of money and work to get the other two operational for China and India.
Still, there are now three full-size, fixed-wing aircraft carriers out there that were originally built by the Russians. No one else has built that many full-size, fixed-wing aircraft carries that are currently operational that they built except the US Navy.
(former Russian Varyag)
(former Russian Gorshkov)
Nice vessels too. All of them are Short Take-off, Barrier Assisted Recovery (STOBAR). The Russians are the innovator of the STOBAR design and the only nation, to date, to have built them from the keel up.
It's a tribute to their expertise and abilities...even though only one of them is currently operated by the Russian Navy, and it took a whole lot of money and work to get the other two operational for China and India.
Still, there are now three full-size, fixed-wing aircraft carriers out there that were originally built by the Russians. No one else has built that many full-size, fixed-wing aircraft carries that are currently operational that they built except the US Navy.
(former Russian Varyag)
(former Russian Gorshkov)
Nice vessels too. All of them are Short Take-off, Barrier Assisted Recovery (STOBAR). The Russians are the innovator of the STOBAR design and the only nation, to date, to have built them from the keel up.
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asif iqbal
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Correct, the Soviets had in thier arsenal a total of 9 flat tops
2 Moskva Class LHD
4 Kiev Class carriers that could carry 16 aircraft each
2 Admiral Kuznetsov Class could carry 24 aircraft each
And the unfinished Ulyanovsk which could carry 48 aircraft
Total aircraft capacity would be 160
2 Moskva Class LHD
4 Kiev Class carriers that could carry 16 aircraft each
2 Admiral Kuznetsov Class could carry 24 aircraft each
And the unfinished Ulyanovsk which could carry 48 aircraft
Total aircraft capacity would be 160
Well, to be clear, they had nine that they intended to build and complet all together.
They actually completed seven of those. But, the most they ever had available for full operations at one time really was five, because by the time the Kuznetsov was commissioned, the Moskvas were no longer really available.
So the four Kievs and the Kuznetsov.
But, of all of those, the only large, full-sized carriers planned in the end were the Kuznetsov, Varyag, and the Ulyanovsk...of which only the Kuznetsov was ever completed by the Russians.
Now, however, the Gorshkov, which was a Kiev VTOL carrier, has been refit and rebuilt into a STOBAR carrier, the Vikramaditya, and the Varyag, which was to be the sister ship to the Kuznetsov, was completed/refit by the Chinese and commissioned as the Liaoning. So, three of the Russian carriers have in fact been put to sea now as full-sized STOBAR carriers.
And those three will be active and operational at the same time for many years to come.
No one else in the world, at this time, outside of the US Navy can say that they have built from the keel up three full sized, moden carriers which are operational and at sea at the same time...though, as I say, only one of them is actually a Russian vessel.
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thunderchief
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Actually , INS Vikramidtya is the first carrier Russians ever built
. Rest were aviation-carrying cruisers . Difference is not just semantics , but tactical and operational doctrine for employment . For example , primary weapons on Kievs were not Yak-38 but P-500 Bazalt and Ka-25 (later Ka-27 ) helicopters .
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