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A rare sight: Three U.S. Navy aircraft carriers were docked at North Island Naval Air Station on Tuesday, April 2, 2013. They were the Carl Vinson and Ronald Reagan, both San Diego-based flattops, and the Nimitz, based in Washington state. The latter was in town to rendezvous with the cruiser Princeton prior to deployment. / Courtesy of U.S. Navy

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The Navy will not ground air wings attached to San Diego aircraft carriers, officials confirmed Wednesday, citing money made available by a stopgap spending bill passed last month by Congress.

It’s a sign that the pressure surrounding military spending is ratcheting down, after lawmakers gave the Pentagon more flexibility in how to deal with $43 billion in automatic budget cuts that kicked in March 1.

The news came just as the carrier Nimitz visited here for what otherwise would have been the final West Coast carrier deployment to dodge the budget ax.

“We believe we're not going to have to drop below 'tactical hard deck' for any of these air wings,” said a Navy official familiar with the plans. “We'll be able to buy back enough readiness.”

Tactical "hard deck" means that air crews fly enough hours to maintain their safety qualifications, but not enough to be fully operational.

An official spokesman for the Naval Air Forces command in Coronado said something similar.

“As resources become available, the air wings previously slated for shut down will be able to operate at least to minimum safe flying levels for the remainder of the year,” Lt. Aaron Kakiel said. “We are still going through what the final readiness level will be for those air wings. Those discussions are still in progress.”

Previously, the Navy said four air wings – including those attached to the San Diego-based carriers Carl Vinson and Ronald Reagan -- would be grounded, with no flying. Two others were slated to be reduced the so-called tactical hard deck.

Now, if those four air wings targeted for grounding maintain some practice it will be faster and easier to get them back to full power when their names pop up on the deployment schedule, officials said.

The Vinson and Reagan, both freshly finished with year-long overhauls, were not expected to deploy until 2014.

“We are confident both air wings will get the training and maintenance they need to meet deployment commitments,” said the Navy official, who wasn't authorized to speak on the record, adding that it's possible those deployments could be delayed.

Under the stopgap funding, the Navy's budget shortfall is about half of what top brass originally anticipated, according to the Navy's top officer, Adm. Jonathan Greenert, in a message to sailors Monday.

A $9 billion hit to the Navy's $49 billion operations and maintenance account has been reduced to about $4.5 billion, he said. “We're in much better shape.”

Greenert said his priorities are scheduled 2013 deployments and then those planned for 2014.

Warnings of drastic cutbacks were common in Washington, D.C., over the past few months as Congress failed to pass a budget or avert the decade-long automatic federal budget cuts known as sequestration.

Peter Daly, the retired three-star admiral who leads the U.S. Naval Institute, agreed that it's a much better story now for the Navy.

“The bottom line is they can fix the most critical and important readiness factors,” Daly said. “Though they are still taking a hit. They are really cranked down on administrative travel and conferences and things like that.”

Now the Nimitz and the Princeton will head out for a final training run off Southern California before deploying for at least six months to the Western Pacific and Arabian Sea.

It's a return to a delayed deployment originally scheduled for January. A malfunctioning cooling pump in the Nimitz’s propulsion system forced the carrier into the maintenance yard late last year.

The Princeton will not come home to San Diego before deploying. The crew said goodbye to loved ones at San Diego Naval Base on Wednesday morning. The Washington state-based Nimitz will stop back briefly later this month before heading westward.

The Nimitz also picked up two North Island Naval Air Station helicopter squadrons, HSM-75 and HSC-6, and a group of C-2 Greyhound carrier on-board delivery planes from VRC-30.

Three San Diego destroyers that left home on schedule in January – the Stockdale, Higgins and William P. Lawrence -- will likely join up with the Nimitz once it is in the Arabian Sea.

The Nimitz visit meant a rare moment for the San Diego skyline: three carriers at North Island piers. At one point in 2010, the Nimitz, the Ronald Reagan and the Carl Vinson were all assigned to San Diego Bay.

Then the Nimitz moved to Washington state, making San Diego a two-carrier town with parking space for three.
 

asif iqbal

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Here are some pictures of the new JMSDF 22DDH, it's first time I've actually seen pictures of it under construction, it's was laid down last year and very little info is leaked about, and even less pictures, anyone who knows Japanese can translate what it says


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navyreco

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Some GOPRO camera footage

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Jeff Head

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Here are some pictures of the new JMSDF 22DDH, it's first time I've actually seen pictures of it under construction, it's was laid down last year and very little info is leaked about, and even less pictures, anyone who knows Japanese can translate what it says


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GREAT to finally see a constructionc pic! Thanks for finding it asif.

Also, that 3rd pic is mine! Created by me over 18 months ago and put up on my 22DDH site at World-wide Aircraft Carriers.

Glad to see it getting some exposure.

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asif iqbal

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GREAT to finally see a constructionc pic! Thanks for finding it asif.

Also, that 3rd pic is mine! Created by me over 18 months ago and put up on my 22DDH site at World-wide Aircraft Carriers.

Glad to see it getting some exposure.

my bad sorry didn’t realise that was yours but great work!

certainly is a big ship, and it has been suggested that the design requirements for V-22 Osprey and F35B have been taken into account when building the 22DDH, which means there is a possibility that JMSDF use either one or both of these aircraft

and recently JMSDF has done recent exercise’s with V-22 along with USN to practice amphibious assault, it may have been a taste of what is to come
 

thunderchief

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no country ever came out of recession by cutting military budget, infact history has shown that countrys that do cut military budgets begin thier decline

Historically speaking , countries overspending on military were either tempted to use it (Germany , Japan ... ) to get something for their money , or get bankrupt under its weight (Soviet Union) . Great Britain could perhaps afford one QE carrier with escorts and full complement of F-35Bs , but definitely not two . Same goes for the Japan . I'm afraid that irresponsible military spending could lead to dangerous military adventurism , and perhaps even to global (nuclear) war .
 

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Historically speaking , countries overspending on military were either tempted to use it (Germany , Japan ... ) to get something for their money , or get bankrupt under its weight (Soviet Union) . Great Britain could perhaps afford one QE carrier with escorts and full complement of F-35Bs , but definitely not two . Same goes for the Japan . I'm afraid that irresponsible military spending could lead to dangerous military adventurism , and perhaps even to global (nuclear) war .

We can comfortably afford to build and run two CVFs. The costs are a fraction of what the Typhoon program has amounted to so far. £40+Billion for 232 aircraft, of which we get to keep 107 on current planning. Still have to pay for the ones we aren't getting. Two CVFs at £6Billion (which included the cost of reorganising the entire British warship building industry lets not forget) is a drop in the ocean by comparison. They will have running costs no greater than the preceding Invincible class CVS, having a ships complement slightly smaller than those vessels.

The only irresponsible defence spending is to inadequately invest in your defence.
 

Jeff Head

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Historically speaking , countries overspending on military were either tempted to use it (Germany , Japan ... ) to get something for their money , or get bankrupt under its weight (Soviet Union) . Great Britain could perhaps afford one QE carrier with escorts and full complement of F-35Bs , but definitely not two . Same goes for the Japan . I'm afraid that irresponsible military spending could lead to dangerous military adventurism , and perhaps even to global (nuclear) war .
Well, I guess it is up to the British people, through their elected representtives,to decide if they can "afford it," or not. Same for the Japanese.

And apparently, they have made the decision. Whether you agree or not, and your declarative statements that they "cannot," to the contrary. Not your decision to make. but certainly something you can give an opinion on, which in reality is what you have done.

Aslo, there are other possibilities for the outcome of the military spending which you have failed to mention.

1) It can also lead to a nation being prepared to defend itself against "adventurism," and then win out over those who would attack them.

2) There is also the possibility in a scenario like the cold war, where it can induce anbother nation to try and keep pace, but fail, and then come assunder without a resulting major or "global (neclear) war," as happened in the case with the US and UK and NATO against the Soviet Union and WARSAW.

So, with the current UK, and the current Japane, my money is on these alternate and positive outcomes...which is, after all, what they intend.
 

thunderchief

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@Jeff Head , @Obi Wan Russell Affordability of some weapon system is not a matter of opinion (mine , yours , British voters ... ) . It is a matter of simple maths . Cost of the aircraft carrier is not just the cost of the ship , you need to include aircraft , escorts , maintenance , training , crew... I'm sure you are well aware of that . And then you have something like this :

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What little training I have in maths :D tells me Britain could not afford two full CBGs . Maybe I'm wrong , time will tell .

@Jeff Head Currently there is no country that could seriously threaten Britain from the sea (cut their supply lines , enforce blockade ... ) except US and maybe France and both countries are British allies . And I don't see something like that happening in near future (20-30 years) . That means that QEs would be mostly used to project British power on other countries . And you cannot project power (and gain something out of it ) without getting close to shooting war . British politicians will be naturally tempted to use their naval power to divert attention from countries economic woes . "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail " .
 

asif iqbal

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@Jeff Head , @Obi Wan Russell Affordability of some weapon system is not a matter of opinion (mine , yours , British voters ... ) . It is a matter of simple maths . Cost of the aircraft carrier is not just the cost of the ship , you need to include aircraft , escorts , maintenance , training , crew... I'm sure you are well aware of that . And then you have something like this :

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What little training I have in maths :D tells me Britain could not afford two full CBGs . Maybe I'm wrong , time will tell .

@Jeff Head Currently there is no country that could seriously threaten Britain from the sea (cut their supply lines , enforce blockade ... ) except US and maybe France and both countries are British allies . And I don't see something like that happening in near future (20-30 years) . That means that QEs would be mostly used to project British power on other countries . And you cannot project power (and gain something out of it ) without getting close to shooting war . British politicians will be naturally tempted to use their naval power to divert attention from countries economic woes . "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail " .

You say UK can't afford to have carriers, The reality is UK cannot afford not to have carriers, they cannot afford to not have SSN and SSBN, UK is a and always has been a sea going nation which lead to world trade for best part of three century's, I think they know a thing or two about what to and what not to spend money on
 
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