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bd popeye

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If an Invincible is deployed alongside a US Large deck Amphib then the latter vessel can concentrate on carrying and deploying her maximum load of troops and vehicles while the British ship can accomodate the USMC Harrier wing as well as AEW and ASW helos and be free to manouver whilst the amphibs are 'docked down' to launch landing craft/LCACs. This gives more flexibility to such ops as the Harriers don't have to wait for a deck load of troop carrying helos to be launched before they can be scrambled for example.

Perhaps this is what the USMC inrendes to do with the new LHA(R) and LPD-17 team...Excellent thought Obi Wan.

Should these ops prove successful, I wonder if we can interest the USN in buying Invincible as a Christmas present for the USMC? One careful owner, Full service history, reasonable discount, electric windows and satnav...

I'd rather see her go to a good home than for razor blades and the USN has bought British before.

Once again..but I don't think so...Not with the newer and much larger LHA(R) comming into service in the next 7-10 years. thye could be a stop gap measure. Perhaps to be used in the manner you described..

And if it did happen I hope the USN does not change the name of the ship.
 

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Supplemental to my previous report of Portsmouth; I made a second delivery last week into the base, this time to the 'Action Stations' exhibition (I am definitely going back for a longer look) so managed to get a closer look at HMS Ark Royal which is tied up at the southwestern end of the base. She had a large white 'marquee' erected over the afte end of the flight deck covering it's entire width and some scaffolding around her foremast (the tall thin one abaft the bridge) probably some routine maintenance work in progress. Still a very imposing sight though.
 

bd popeye

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It appears there will be a joint USN & RN excersise this week held off the east coast of the US. CVN-75 and HMS Illustrious will participate. I'm sure the USN will publish pics of the action.

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Joint task force takes part in Operation Bold Step this week
The Virginian-Pilot
© July 23, 2007 | Last updated 8:04 AM Jul. 23

NORFOLK – More than 15,000 military personnel will take part in Operation Bold Step this week off the Atlantic coast.

Beginning Thursday, the exercise will provide realistic training that simulates threats that U.S. and coalition forces encounter on deployment, according to a news release. The exercise will continue through July 31.

The joint task force for the exercise will include personnel from the Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force as well as Britain and NATO.

The event will serve to certify the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group and provide training for the Dwight D. Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group. The aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious and destroyer HMS Manchester, both of Britain, also will participate.
 

bd popeye

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The French have been visiting the USS Enterprise CVN-65.

MEDITERRANEAN SEA (July 23, 2007) - A French Rafale M combat aircraft operates on the flight deck of the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (CVN 65). Enterprise and embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 1 are currently underway on a scheduled six-month deployment. U.S Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Brandon Morris (RELEASED)

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Lateset news from the USMC Harrier deployment aboard HMS Illustious:
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Yuma-based Harrier squad makes history with training
BY BENJAMIN HAGER, SUN STAFF PHOTOGRAPHER
July 23, 2007 - 11:13PM
PHOTO BY BENJAMIN HAGER/THE SUNA U.S. AV8B HARRIER takes off from the ramp of the H.M.S. Illustrious during an unprecedented training of the U.S. Marine Corps and British Royal Navy. Local Marines continue to make history this week more than 2,500 miles from home as pilots and air support staff participate in an unprecedented training aboard the British Royal Navy ship H.M.S. Illustrious.

According to 1st Lt. Armando Daviu, acting director Consolidated Public Affairs Office, Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, this is the first time documented that an entire squadron of Marine U.S. AV8B Harrier jets has cross-trained on a British vessel, signaling an unprecedented level of cooperation for long-time allies.

Members of Yuma-based Marine Attack Squadron 513 are part of the Joint Task Force Exercise, roughly 50 miles off the coast of North Carolina. The exercise is designed to qualify American pilots to land on British vessels in preparation for possible future joint military operations.

"I never would have dreamed I'd have my aircraft on a British Vessel," said Col. Van Camp, the commanding officer of Marine Air Group 14. "It's an extremely exciting time for us."

The Illustrious, known as "Lusty," poses a unique challenge to U.S. Harrier pilots due to its short deck space, nearly 33 percent less than a typical American carrier. To compensate for this, the ship's landing deck contains a ramp designed to propel aircraft upward, giving them the necessary lift to successfully clear the water.

Both American and British Harrier pilots refer to it as the "Ski Jump," and many noted an initial degree of measured apprehension in taking their first go at it.

"It definitely had an aura around it when we first came in here," said Maj. Graham Pennington, of MAS-513 or the Flying Nightmares. "It looks like a wall sitting in front of you and is pretty intimidating when you first approach it."

Pennington likened the experience to riding the "Superman" ride at Magic Mountain theme park. He said the jet actually flies itself during the initial seconds after leaving the ramp.

"It's actually a very nonviolent, smooth transition."
 

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Breaking news! 1400hours BST Defence secretary Des Browne is addressing the commons announcing the order for the two CVFs HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, also that the future of Portsmouth Naval Base is secure. He also says the cooperation with the French is a positive move, not a hinderance but is not confirming where they will be based.
 

bd popeye

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Great to see that are friends in the UK are alive , well and hopefully dry.:)

Members of Yuma-based Marine Attack Squadron 513 are part of the Joint Task Force Exercise, roughly 50 miles off the coast of North Carolina. The exercise is designed to qualify American pilots to land on British vessels in preparation for possible future joint military operations.

I would love to know hat each and every pilot thought of the ski-ramp...Furure operations?? Perhaps these excersises will continue into the future as the RN brings it's CVF in to service..Also prepration for any type of operation world wide...
 

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Breaking news! 1400hours BST Defence secretary Des Browne is addressing the commons announcing the order for the two CVFs HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, also that the future of Portsmouth Naval Base is secure. He also says the cooperation with the French is a positive move, not a hinderance but is not confirming where they will be based.

Great news for the RN.

£4bn carriers 'will be jewel in Navy's crown'
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:27am BST 26/07/2007

A major defence spending programme that will secure the Royal Navy's future was announced by the Government yesterday.

Two large aircraft carriers that will become the "jewel in the crown" for the Navy will cost the taxpayer almost £4 billion, Des Browne, the Defence Secretary, told the Commons.

Military chiefs were informed that the defence budget would rise by almost £8 billion over the next four years, a 1.5 per cent increase in real terms. The appalling state of some Service housing is also to be remedied with an injection of £550 million.

However, the Tories warned that not enough is being spent to fight present campaigns.

The 65,000-ton carriers, the Queen Elizabeth and the Prince of Wales, will give Britain a highly potent platform far from home.

advertisementMore than 10,000 jobs will be secured around the country when work begins on what will be the biggest warship ever built for the Navy.

In a unique joint venture, four sections of the carriers will each be built in Portsmouth, Rosyth in Fife, Barrow-in-Furness in Cumbria and the Clyde before being floated on huge barges to be assembled.

The ships will carry 40 of the advanced F35 Joint Strike Fighters or 25 Chinook helicopters and will be crewed by 1,500 sailors.

The carriers will be built by rival companies, including BAE Systems and VT Group, forming business alliances. However, there was early controversy as the initial date on which the Queen Elizabeth was to come into service slipped by two years to 2014. The Prince of Wales will follow two years later.

Admiral Sir Jonathon Band, the First Sea Lord, said the decision meant that Britain remained "big boys in the navy league". "We can provide influence, show determination and if required go on operations. This is a very powerful statement and a very significant signal that shows Britain intends to have a balanced affordable Navy with a real punch well into the future."

The carriers will have a service life of 40 years. The announcement was made as the Government decided to bring forward the comprehensive spending review that determines the defence budget from 2008 to 2011.

While conscious that "a lot" was being asked of the Armed Forces, Mr Browne said the "significant additional investment" showed that the Government "does all it can to support troops and their families".

It was also confirmed that £1 billion will continue to be spent on the replacement to the Trident nuclear deterrent. There had been a possibility of the Navy losing one of its three major bases following a review. But Faslane on Gare Loch off the Clyde, Plymouth and Portsmouth will remain, although the latter could suffer job cuts.

It also appeared that the Navy will receive all eight of the advanced anti-air Type 45 destroyers that will be vital in protecting the carriers, defence sources said. But they did not give full backing to the third tranche of 88 RAF Eurofighter Typhoons, suggesting that the £60 million aircraft might be sacrificed.

The budgets announcement was questioned by the Tories who suggested that, with defence spending dropping marginally to 2.1 per cent of GDP, not enough was being spent while the Forces were involved in two major conflicts.

Liam Fox, the shadow defence secretary, said there was "a strong suspicion that we are not being told the full story today".

More money would have to be built on creating a dock big enough for the carriers, he said. With the loss of large amounts of equipment in Iraq and Afghanistan, the defence budget needed to "rise faster than predicted just for us to stand still".

The news came as a soldier from the Royal Anglians was killed in Afghanistan yesterday.

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In my opinion this is perhaps the best piece of news for the RN since the end of WW2!

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Great news for the RN.



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In my opinion this is perhaps the best piece of news for the RN since the end of WW2!

Cheers

Where it says "40 years service" and "40 aircraft" read 50 years and 50 aircraft. That is what they are designed for, though whether they last that long or carry that many is another matter.
 

Finn McCool

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It seems that the Royal Navy's fortunes are turning around lately, with the carriers and boomers on the horizon and Type 45s entering service.
 
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