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joshuatree

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You gents know that the USN has retired all it's F-14 Tomcats. Guess what is happening to them? They are being dismantled to prevent spare parts from going to Iran..What a sad end to a great aircraft.

It would have been covert and cool in a way if the US did the opposite and let some of these parts on purposely fall into Iranian hands. These parts (preferably electrical components) would have been modified so they would act much like the way trojan horses and worms do on computers. When they install these parts into the planes, they will fry the plane's system. What could the Iranians say then? Considering it was smuggled in, absolutely nothing. :rofl:

Don't mind me, it's a hot summer day and I'm just going off on a tangent.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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It's sad to see them end this way, and I'm saying this from a country that has destroyed so much of it's own heritage. We have no preserved carriers, batleships or assault ships and most of our Phantoms and buccaneers went for razor blades despite many offers of preservation. At least some tomcats have already been saved for posterity. Even if Iran could aquire spares for their F14s, they would need TONS of them to make the effort worthwhile. When the last airworthy Sea Vixen was taken into private hands for air display work, they reportedly also bought over 60 tons of spares and stores just to keep one aircraft airworthy, and not even combat capable at that. I doubt the Iranians could ever have laid their hands on enough spares to make a single F14 into a serious threat, let alone a whole fleet of them. Those aircraft have served the US well, by being a significant drain on Iranian resources rather than an offensive air asset. Cannibalisation of the existing Iranian fleet will most likely continue to be the order of the day for the forseeable future, Just to keep a handful flying with dubious combat capability, more for show than anything else I suspect.
 

bd popeye

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The Tomcat was an hell of an aircraft. They did require many man hours of maintance to keep them airborne. That is one of the major reasons they are gone...I doubt if the Iranians,dispite their bravado, have very many air worthy Tomcats

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On to another subject. I was reading on
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that the USS Nimitz CVN-68 is now making a pot call in Chennai, India. This is the very first time a USN CV has visited an Indian port.

INDIAN OCEAN (July 2, 2007) – The nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN 68) prepares to drop anchor off the coast of Chennai, India. Nimitz is the first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to visit India. The Nimitz Carrier Strike Group is operating in the Pacific and Indian Oceans as part of the U.S. Seventh Fleet. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jake Berenguer (RELEASED)

Naturally Indian enviromentalist are up in arms. Despite the fact there has never been a nuclear accident with any USN nuclear powered surface ship.

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Firm safety measures in place for Nimitz visit: India
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From correspondents in Delhi, India, 11:33 PM IST

The Indian government said Wednesday that firm environmental measures are in place ahead of the port call of the nuclear powered USS Nimitz, the world's largest aircraft carrier that will drop anchor off Chennai July 1-5.

'The procedure that is followed for any nuclear powered ship or submarine berthing in any Indian port is well established since 1988,' the defence ministry said in a statement.

'An Environmental Survey Committee (ESC) has carried out a detailed survey at Chennai and cleared the visit of USS Nimitz from the radiation hazard point of view,' it added.

A stringent radiation monitoring protocol is also in place that shall, 'at periodic intervals, monitor and analyse air and water samples,' the statement said.

'These activities shall be conducted under the ambit of a well rehearsed Radiation Safety Contingency Plan under the stewardship of a Crisis Management Group and Crisis Management Cell comprising scientists from DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation), BARC (Bhabha Atomic Research Centre), the Defence Laboratory at Jodhpur and representatives of the Chennai Port Trust and the Indian Navy,' the statement added.

India's Left parties that support the ruling United Progressive Alliance (UPA) from the outside have vehemently opposed the Nimitz visit. Tamil Nadu's main opposition AIADMK and unions of Chennai dockworkers are also against the port call, citing environmental concerns.

Nimitz will not be docking at Chennai but will be dropping anchor three km off the port in the high seas.

'This is not the first visit by a nuclear powered ship to an Indian port,' the statement said, adding that seven foreign naval vessels had made such calls between February 2001 and November 2006.

Interestingly, only one of these vessels was an aircraft carrier and it had docked at Mumbai. All the other vessels were submarines that docked at Goa.

'In fact, the Indian Navy has operated INS Chakra, a nuclear powered submarine (on lease from Russia), from 1988 to 1991,' the statement said.

The process of clearing a harbour for berthing of nuclear powered vessels evolved when INS Chakra was inducted into the Indian Navy on Jan 5, 1988.

'This included survey by an Environmental Survey Committee (ESC) constituted by the scientific advisor to the defence minister. A Radiation Safety Contingency Plan was also drawn up and implemented prior to the berthing of INS Chakra,' the ministry said.

In 2001, when the Indian Navy conducted the International Fleet Review, the French nuclear submarine Perle had berthed at Mumbai harbour Feb 15-20.

For this purpose, the Environmental Safety Committee carried out a complete survey and examination of Mumbai harbour, the statement said.

It also detailed the six-point procedure that is followed for any nuclear-powered ship or submarine berthing at Indian ports. Under this:

* The defence ministry intimates the ESC of an impending visit by a nuclear powered ship or submarine. The ESC then proceeds to the port well in advance before the arrival of the vessel and carries out a survey.

* Movement of nuclear powered ship takes place only during daylight hours and in good visibility, with escort tugs in attendance.

* No other ship is berthed within a 200-metre radius of the nuclear powered ship.

* Ships within 600 metres of the berthed vessel are put on short notice, not exceeding two hours, to get underway if there is an emergency.

* Radiation monitoring laboratories manned by scientists of the DRDO and the BARC, as also defence personnel, are set up onboard a suitable ship to undertake frequent monitoring of water and air samples.

* Two safety zones are established around the nuclear powered ship.

Zone I stretches up to a radius of 200 metres around the berth vessel. Only authorised personnel can enter this zone and quick evacuation can be conducted in an emergency.

Zone II extends to a radius of 600 metres around the berth ship. The local population is permitted within this zone.

'Only authorised personnel and items can leave the nuclear powered ship,' the ministry stated.

Apart from the submarine Perle, the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and the submarine Amethyst had docked at Goa April 15-19, 2004. In the same year, the USS Alexandria had paid two visits to Goa Oct 3-5 and Oct 9-11.

During 2005, the submarine USS Santa Fe had paid two visits to Goa Sep 28-29 and Oct 3-8.

The Charles de Gaulle paid a return visit to Goa March 29-April 2, 2006, a year in which two other vessels called at the port. These were the Royal Navy submarine Sovereign May 19-23 and the submarine USS Providence Oct 30-Nov 3
 

bd popeye

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A Japanese Group has sued to prevent CVN-73 from being stationed in Yokosuka Japan.

Japanese group sues over nuclear carrier

By Carl Freire - The Associated Press
Posted : Tuesday Jul 3, 2007 6:12:28 EDT

TOKYO — A civic group opposed to stationing a U.S. nuclear-powered
aircraft carrier in Japan has sued the government to halt harbor
work being done to accommodate the warship, a lawyer said Tuesday.

The Navy is slated to deploy the USS George Washington next summer
to Yokosuka, just south of Tokyo. The Nimitz-class carrier replaces
the diesel-powered carrier Kitty Hawk.

The decision sparked a backlash in Japan, where feelings run strong
over nuclear weapons. Japan is the only nation to have suffered a
nuclear attack, and critics oppose the basing of a nuclear-powered
warship in domestic waters.

Japan's government has backed the idea, however, saying the George
Washington would boost regional stability.

The group filed its suit at the Yokosuka branch of the Yokohama
District Court, lawyer Masahiko Goto said. About 90 percent of the
649 plaintiffs live in Yokosuka or the vicinity, the group said in a
statement.

The suit argues that dredging work slated to begin later this month
to deepen Yokosuka harbor for the carrier will spread pollution,
killing fish and damaging the livelihoods of fishermen, the
statement said.

The warship would also threaten people in surrounding areas with the
dangers of radiation leakage should an accident occur, it said.

Defense Facilities Administration Agency spokesman Yasumusa Iida
said the agency was aware the suit had been filed but declined to
comment as the agency has yet to review the documents.

The deployment marks the first time a U.S. Navy nuclear-powered
vessel will be permanently stationed in Japan. The move comes as
part of the U.S. military's effort to modernize its forces in East
Asia, an area of potential flashpoints with North Korea or China.

Nuclear-powered warships have visited Japanese ports hundreds of
times since 1964, and the U.S. has provided firm commitments to
Tokyo regarding the safe use of Japanese harbors by the nuclear-
powered vessels.

The U.S. has about 50,000 troops stationed in Japan under a mutual
 

joshuatree

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If the US wasn't so interested in having Japan help foot the bill, I would say better to station a forward deployed carrier at Guam instead. Less opposition and still the same effect as basing it in Japan.
 
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A Japanese Group has sued to prevent CVN-73 from being stationed in Yokosuka Japan.

I'm sure it's irritating for the USN, but it is just a waste of time on the applicants' part - they'll never get a binding judgment from the top court.

It's probably best to just laugh it off, much like the protesters against us having SSBNs.
 

bd popeye

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USMC MV-22 Osprey operate on the HMS Illustrious!!

Personally this is big news to me. It shows the interoperablity of the RN and other forces.

Ahead of a US-led Joint Task Force Exercise (JTFX) on the Eastern seaboard of the United States, HMS Illustrious welcomed the very first embarkation of a US Marine Corps Bell/Boeing MV-22 Osprey onto the Royal Navy aircraft carrier on Tuesday 10th July. It is the first time that an Osprey has embarked in a non-US vessel.

The world’s first tilt-rotor aircraft, with a unique vertical takeoff and landing capability, is ideally suited to working from the deck of HMS Illustrious which is currently the UK’s high readiness strike carrier. With US Marine Corps Major Frank Conway piloting the aircraft, the visit gave the Osprey’s crew a unique opportunity to demonstrate the aircraft’s flexibility as well as the versatility of the UK’s primary Maritime Strike capability. Whilst there are no current plans to operate the MV-22 from UK Ships, close co-operation of this kind is vital should the need arise for Illustrious to conduct operations in a coalition environment.

Commander Henry Mitchell, the Commander (Air) in HMS Illustrious stated that “The Osprey visit gave the ship a unique opportunity to work with this impressive aircraft” further adding “We have been planning this for some time and although it is a departure from normal operations, the landing demonstrates the truly flexible nature of the UK Strike Carrier and the Osprey. It is hugely important to recognise the opportunities this type of event brings with it and how it reinforces our ability and willingness to operate with the widest possible range of aircraft anywhere in the world.”

The embarkation of the MV-22 Osprey is a pre-cursor to a major US led military exercise-JTFX 2007 in which Commodore Alan Richards, Commander of the UK Carrier Strike Group, based in Illustrious will lead one of three carrier strike groups and will also embark up to 16 US Marine Corps AV8B Harrier jets as well as operate her own Sea King airborne surveillance and rescue helicopters. The exercise will test her across the broad spectrum of conflict, ranging from embargo operations involving UK and US boarding teams to air strike missions dropping precision ordnance against simulated targets. The Captain of Illustrious, Captain Tim Fraser said, ‘This is a really exciting opportunity for Illustrious. The exercise will allow us to train and test many aspects of our capability in a demanding scenario alongside the US Navy, while integrating USMC Harriers and 200 US personnel on board Illustrious.’

This story deserves big photos!!

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Jeff Head

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USMC MV-22 Osprey operate on the HMS Illustrious!!

Personally this is big news to me. It shows the interoperablity of the RN and other forces.



This story deserves big photos!!

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GREAT pics popeye. Wonderful to see the inter operations capability.

Now, they RN needs to buy several for ASW use, and then I'd like to see a radome on top of one (or the triangular, wedge shaped radar proposed for the aircraft) for AEW use. A long range ASW variant of the Osprey and an AEW variant, coupled with the F35s would make any VSTOL carrir very powerful for any ASW, amphib, or even power projection duties.

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IDonT

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GREAT pics popeye. Wonderful to see the inter operations capability.

Now, they RN needs to buy several for ASW use, and then I'd like to see a radome on top of one (or the triangular, wedge shaped radar proposed for the aircraft) for AEW use. A long range ASW variant of the Osprey and an AEW variant, coupled with the F35s would make any VSTOL carrir very powerful for any ASW, amphib, or even power projection duties.

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Jeff, those rotor's will still hit the radar during the tilting process. It should be put a little to the rear or the bottom.
 

bd popeye

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I was just browsing a RN discussion and someone mentioned that the RN is looking at the Osprey as a possible AEW aircraft on their CVF...:confused:

I'm intrested in how this whole training excercise works out..Perhaps the USMC is testing a new air wing to be used on the LHA(R) in the future...It will be intresting to see 16 Harriers on board a RN carrier...

Obi wan!! Or any other RN fan... Do you have any idea why those MV-22 have what appears to be a silver paint theme???
 
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