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Jeff Head

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Jeff, those rotor's will still hit the radar during the tilting process. It should be put a little to the rear or the bottom.
It will not hit or interfere on that one IDont. That is one of the actual Bell/Boieng Artist's concept drawings...and here's their spec sheet on the proposal.

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This has already been out there for a while, particularly for the Royal Navy's Maritime Airborne Surveillance and Control (MASC) requirement. It is still out there wainting for the right opportunity to be picked and utilized.

Good discusion on it here:

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Another related article, rgearding the THALES Totally Organic Sensor System (TOSS), a radar for use in AEW, is a good one indicating that the US NAvy is actively pursuing this as well:

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harryRIEDL

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could the V22 fit in Illustrious hanger folded [thinking of it replaceing the commando sea kings as well as AEW] because it looks very compact folded
 

bd popeye

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could the V22 fit in Illustrious hanger folded [thinking of it replaceing the commando sea kings as well as AEW] because it looks very compact folded

It probally does fit. It can fit in USN hangars i.e. CVN,LHA/LHD.

Here's a video of the Osprey on the HMS Illustrious.

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Obi Wan Russell

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I know the Royal Marines would like to have Ospreys as replacements for the HC4 Sea Kings, though money will be the obstacle as usual. I'm still convinced that the USMC Harrier pilots will come back from this deployment as converts to the ski jump; expect to hear them get very vocal about it! One AEW variant I have heard mentioned (as a way of getting it into service without spending megabucks) would be to fit the Ospreys with a 'palletised' version of the Sea King ASaC7s radar system. Once you have the aircraft in service then you can push for more advanced radars, whereas if you ask for it all at once the price may be too high for the bean counters. ASW is one area we are doing OK in at the moment, as the Merlin is a world leader and has a lot of potential for upgrades. I accept that an Osprey can sprint to a target area quicker than any helo, but for the RN an ASW variant will have to go to the back of the queue. AEW and trooping have to take priority as the airframes depolyed currently in these roles are by far the oldest and highest mileage. If the current plans for the CVF go ahead (STOVL) then the Osprey AEW is the best choice available, and may lead to it's adoption by the USMC for the new LHAs, giving them an extra measure of operational independence from the USN (alternatively it could be seen as increasing the number of strike carriers potentially available to the US, so the LHAs would be a useful reserve force of flight decks over and above the CVNs).

The last time I saw a military aircraft painted silver they were WW2 Mosquitos in the far east which had to have heat reflecting paint to stop the glue that held them together melting! Perhaps this scheme is a new means of reducing RCS, or perhaps modern carbon fibre aircraft are beginning to suffer from the same ailment as the Mossies!
 

bd popeye

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Thanks for responding Obi Wan!:)

I'm still convinced that the USMC Harrier pilots will come back from this deployment as converts to the ski jump; expect to hear them get very vocal about it!

Intresting..perhaps if the USMC pilots are converted to loving the ski ramp..maybe the new USN LHA(R) will have them installed.

If the current plans for the CVF go ahead (STOVL) then the Osprey AEW is the best choice available, and may lead to it's adoption by the USMC for the new LHAs, giving them an extra measure of operational independence from the USN (alternatively it could be seen as increasing the number of strike carriers potentially available to the US, so the LHAs would be a useful reserve force of flight decks over and above the CVNs).

Exactly..That is what the new LHA(R) will turn out to be a medium sized CV...And those ships will provide and excellent strike and air assault ablity for the USMC in their specfic missions.

The last time I saw a military aircraft painted silver they were WW2 Mosquitos in the far east which had to have heat reflecting paint to stop the glue that held them together melting! Perhaps this scheme is a new means of reducing RCS, or perhaps modern carbon fibre aircraft are beginning to suffer from the same ailment as the Mossies!

When I saw that paint job I was wondering what the heck it was. I found some pictures of the Osprey on the USMC web site taken some time ago with the same paint scheme...But their was no explaination.:(
 

Neutral Zone

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also could the V22 fit in the lifts of Illustrious [had a very nice tour of Illustrious a few months ago]

If memory serves me right, RAF Chinooks have operated off RN carriers during ops in the Adriatic and the Gulf, the Chinook is probably a bigger aircraft than the Osprey so an Osprey with it's rotors and wings folded should probably fit OK. Please correct me if I'm wrong! :eek:

Thanks for those pics Popeye, they look fantastic! It's probably a glimpse of the future for many navies!
 

harryRIEDL

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If memory serves me right, RAF Chinooks have operated off RN carriers during ops in the Adriatic and the Gulf, the Chinook is probably a bigger aircraft than the Osprey so an Osprey with it's rotors and wings folded should probably fit OK. Please correct me if I'm wrong! :eek:

Thanks for those pics Popeye, they look fantastic! It's probably a glimpse of the future for many navies!

but their not hangared their lashed down on deck the Chinooks. because it would be excellent if the V22 could be hangared and fit in the lift of Illustrious
[on my tour i was amazed how little movement was allowed when planes were on deck it was no more then 2 degree list]
 

Scratch

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I think I already brought this up once. But since noone repsonded I try once again, more directly this time.
Would it be worthwhile to make the CVF a STOBAR CV and have F-35Cs operate from it? How difficult would it be to put arresting wires and the corresponding gear on a ship? And what would that mean for the payload of F-35Bs or -Cs taking off the skyjump?

I could really imagine the V-22 to be adapted to more roles with it's versatelity.
Though it's handling difficulties and the price may be a burden.
The RN and the USMC would sure benefit from an AEW/C4ISR version of the aircraft. The USN will stick with the E-2D I believe. Maybe they will figure out they need longer range ASW capabilities in some years.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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I'm beginning to wonder if the timing of this exercise is aimed at the new PM Gordon Brown, as a way of reminding him that (the new) carriers are important in the context of our alliance with the US and should not be seen solely as a UK proposition. Perhaps also this will lead to future joint deployments of USMC aircraft aboard RN CVs. In a possible scenario, a future operation may involve two or more US LHA/LHDs which, if they offloaded their Harriers/Lightnings to accompanying RN carriers could then embark their maximum possible load of Marines and helos, allowing the Invincibles/CVFs to position them selves separately from the amphibious force to present less of a target to the enemy. The RN CVs would have a combined USMC/FAA airgroup with two fighter sqns, an ASW sqn and an AEW sqn to coordinate air ops. I remember that when the ASaC7s were first deployed in Iraq two were lost in a mid air collision, but amongst the aircrew was an American officer on an exchange posting. One wonders if the USN and the RN were already exploring the possibilties of such joint ops as an adjunct to the existing CVN force? I'm sure the USMC officers would enjoy being deployed aboard RN ships if for no other reason than RN ships are not 'dry'...

The CVFs are already designed to accept CTOL equipment (catapults and arrestor wires) which is why they are often reffered to as 'fitted for but not with' and in theory adapting the ships for CTOL ops is supposedly a straight forward proposition. The only reason this isn't being done is money; CTOL equipment will mean more crew required to operate and maintain it, driving up running costs compared with STOVL ops. This has been one of the primary selling point of the CVF project, maximum 'bang' for minimum 'bucks'.
 
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