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Thanks for the article Popeye. I read and saw the pictures and still can't believe my eyes. That can't be true of its condition in today is it? I mean the inside of that Russian carrier looks outdated.
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Thanks for the article Popeye. I read and saw the pictures and still can't believe my eyes. That can't be true of its condition in today is it? I mean the inside of that Russian carrier looks outdated.
Ouch! That's bad. I had heard that conditions in the Russian Navy were getting bad...even lately...but had no idea it was this bad. If this is the condition on their premier vessel, imagine how other, less visible and less prestigous vessels are faring.
No wonder they don't do a lot of exercises.
I'll withhold full judgement in the hopes that someone with firsthand knowledge addresses this.
Still...heck, that sounds really bad.
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After looking at the pics, though the equipment is older (which does not really surprise me too much), the vessel in these pics looks pretty squared away, both inside and out.
I read on the replies on that thread that the pics were taken in 2009 at the end of, or right after a re-fit, so that may explain the pictures being different from the narrative. But the narrative made things out to be horrible, while the pictures did not look that way at all too me.
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Shocking that this is still the way it is there.
Some things never seem to change with the Russians. Like the old stories of how senior officers would take junior officers to large sports stadiums and then show them how to maneouvre formations of tanks right there on the pitch; 2nd year conscripts beating up 1st year conscripts for their food (rancid crap fit much of the time only for dogs), and the 3rd year conscripts beating both up (and the Navy and "Air Force(s)" had 4-year conscripts on top of that!); cheap leg wrappings rather than socks; and tank crews going blind after re-distilling the alcohol-based hydraulic fluid. The list could go on and on.
I wonder how many contract professional soldiers, sailors, and aviators there really are after all the lastest reforms.
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I never looked before -- comparing the wiki sites for Adm K and Varyag. They give the same engine power and maximum speed but give Varyag 10 000 tons more maximum displacement and 2 meters more draft. Assuming that the numbers for Adm K are well established - we see the same numbers with the photographs at the site referred to above - were do the numbers for, in the mean time ex-, Varyag come from?
When I served with the USN these are some of the things were were told about Soviet sailors.
1) They do not get any liberty unless escorted by a political officer. Then only to sight see and perhaps eat a quick meal.
2) Soviet ships do not make fresh water and have to unrep water regularly.
2a) Soviet sailors have to take salt water showers.
3) The life span of a Soviet nuclear power tech is 5-7 years from the day they report aboard a Soviet sub.
4) Soviet Sailors have a high desertion rate.
5) Most Soviet ships do not have galleys..They eat a lot of cold canned food and sea ration type meals.
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My guess is they have to use sea water to clean the ships as well?
In one of my favorite novels, Persuasion by Jane Austen ( 1817 ), the heroine remembers that when first acquainted with then RN lieutenant Wentworth she supposed than sailors didn't have hot meals on board. Don't believe absurd stories unless they are confirmed by several independent sources.
I don't, but some of the tales are true...and I do not make stuff up..
Once in Japan a JMSDF sailor visiting the Midway was surprised that Black sailors did jobs other than cook and clean....How do I know? because he asked me(Through and interrupter) why I was conducting the tour and what do a normally do on the ship.
I would assume so. I know the USN has a special soap for sea water. But I never was on any ship that used it.
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