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Seems the Groshkov refitt is getting on track now and the Dec' 2012 handover might actually work. Along with that India is going for a total of 45 MiG-29K fighters for it's two future carriers. Should be enough for two CVWs at the same time plus maybe some spares even.
Gorshkov to be handed over to India by Dec '12
TNN, Jun 1, 2010, 03.37am IST
NEW DELHI: After closely examining the ongoing refit work on Admiral Gorshkov in Russia, the Navy is now confident the aircraft carrier will be ready for harbour trials by early-2011 to ensure it can be handed over to India by December 2012 or so.
This comes after a naval team, led by controller of warship production and acquisitions Vice-Admiral N N Kumar, recently visited Russia to examine the 44,570-tonne Gorshkov at the Sevmash Shipyard.
"There has been substantial progress since the last examination in September 2009. Around 99% of the structural work and almost 50% of the cabling work has been completed on the carrier. Almost all large-size equipment, like engines, diesel generators and the like, has been installed,'' said an officer.
With India earlier this year agreeing to the revised refit cost of $2.33 billion for Gorshkov, after three years of bitter wrangling since the earlier agreement inked in January 2004 had earmarked only $974 million for it, Russia has appointed a high-level apex committee to oversee the work on the carrier.
Along with the fresh Gorshkov agreement, India also inked a contract with Russia for 29 more MiG-29Ks for $1.46 billion in March this year. These fighters will be in addition to the original 16 MiG-29Ks ordered through the $1.5-billion package deal for Gorshkov signed in January 2004.
The Navy plans to deploy two carrier-battle groups (CBGs) by 2014-2015, as reported by TOI earlier. The first CBG will be centred around Gorshkov, rechristened INS Vikramaditya, while the second will be on the 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) being constructed at the Cochin Shipyard, which Navy hopes to get by 2014.
As of now, the Navy is "stretching'' the operational life of the 50-year-old 28,000-tonne INS Viraat, even though it's left with only 11 of its Sea Harrier jump-jets.
Gorshkov to be handed over to India by Dec '12
TNN, Jun 1, 2010, 03.37am IST
NEW DELHI: After closely examining the ongoing refit work on Admiral Gorshkov in Russia, the Navy is now confident the aircraft carrier will be ready for harbour trials by early-2011 to ensure it can be handed over to India by December 2012 or so.
This comes after a naval team, led by controller of warship production and acquisitions Vice-Admiral N N Kumar, recently visited Russia to examine the 44,570-tonne Gorshkov at the Sevmash Shipyard.
"There has been substantial progress since the last examination in September 2009. Around 99% of the structural work and almost 50% of the cabling work has been completed on the carrier. Almost all large-size equipment, like engines, diesel generators and the like, has been installed,'' said an officer.
With India earlier this year agreeing to the revised refit cost of $2.33 billion for Gorshkov, after three years of bitter wrangling since the earlier agreement inked in January 2004 had earmarked only $974 million for it, Russia has appointed a high-level apex committee to oversee the work on the carrier.
Along with the fresh Gorshkov agreement, India also inked a contract with Russia for 29 more MiG-29Ks for $1.46 billion in March this year. These fighters will be in addition to the original 16 MiG-29Ks ordered through the $1.5-billion package deal for Gorshkov signed in January 2004.
The Navy plans to deploy two carrier-battle groups (CBGs) by 2014-2015, as reported by TOI earlier. The first CBG will be centred around Gorshkov, rechristened INS Vikramaditya, while the second will be on the 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) being constructed at the Cochin Shipyard, which Navy hopes to get by 2014.
As of now, the Navy is "stretching'' the operational life of the 50-year-old 28,000-tonne INS Viraat, even though it's left with only 11 of its Sea Harrier jump-jets.
Some days ago the CdG and Harry Truman practiced combined ops to improve interoperability between the french and US navy. Rafales & Hornets were doing Touch & Gos on the other carrier. One Rafale actually landed on the Truman and had an engine replace in the Hanger for the first time, with machinery previously transfered from the CdG.
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Oh my of my! This once very popular thread has been dormant for nearly a month..here's a few pix of the USN ex-USS New Orleans LPH-11 being sunk as a target. Be sure to read the caption & check out the hi-res links!
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I remember my dad deploying on that ship in the 80's. She looked very good in San Diego harbor back then! Man this makes me feel old! LOL! I had no idea she became a target ship! Rest in peace NEW ORLEANS! You were a great ship. And the first carrier I ever went on!
As for my question to the board, any new updates on BOTH of INDIA's Carrier programs? Any new photos or postings? I am eager to see what progress they have made!
Plus has anyone found out what happened to Sao Paulo of Brazil? What is her new armament outfitting and has she any new deployment photos?
As for my question to the board, any new updates on BOTH of INDIA's Carrier programs? Any new photos or postings? I am eager to see what progress they have made!
Plus has anyone found out what happened to Sao Paulo of Brazil? What is her new armament outfitting and has she any new deployment photos?
Tomcat, the San Paulo is in port and the Brazilians plan on using it..So it's a wait and see..
The Indian's are still waiting for the Russians to deliver their refurbished CV and the steel was cut some time ago for their indigenous design.. There are some pictures in this thread.
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Follow this link for some photos of the HMS Ark Royal in a recent deployment off the US Carolina coast!
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/wor...itary-pictures-thread-18-2193.html#post122678
The Indian's are still waiting for the Russians to deliver their refurbished CV and the steel was cut some time ago for their indigenous design.. There are some pictures in this thread.
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Follow this link for some photos of the HMS Ark Royal in a recent deployment off the US Carolina coast!
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/wor...itary-pictures-thread-18-2193.html#post122678
Some good news for the RN. The MoD is indeed spending money on the development of an EMCAT. That is in case the F-35B buy doesn't go ahead, or other A/C are to be operated.
So if the money is already being spent on development, why not just put the cats on the ship right away? I can't imagine two operating systems are that expensive to buy and operate, when they are already developed.
And what's the price difference between the -B and -C model anyway, I'd guess that the -C might actually be cheaper / less maintanance intensive.
And then, with a CAT installed, wich seems a pretty minor thing from here on, why still buy any -Bs at all?
Could the RN be interested in SuperHornets or Rafalés? I don't really think so. It's all following some wiered logic here, IMO.
And maybe they'll also operate Hawkeyes at some point.
Converteam develops catapult launch system for UK carriers
By Tim Fish - 26 July 2010
The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) is investing in the development of an electromagnetic catapult system for the Royal Navy's Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers in case procurement of the F-35B short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) version of the Joint Strike Fighter is abandoned.
Power conversion specialist Converteam UK announced on 20 July that in 2009 it was awarded a GBP650,000 (USD1 million) follow-on contract to continue the design, development and demonstration of high-power electrical systems for its EMCAT (electro-magnetic catapult) system and that work on the contract was nearing completion.
The naval director at Converteam UK, Mark Dannatt, told Jane's on 22 July that a small-scale EMCAT system had been completed in 2007 to prove the operation of modern linear motor, energy stores and control systems. Since then, extensive testing of the system has been successfully undertaken, as well as further work at the request of the MoD to enable Converteam UK to scale the system up to a full-size catapult suitable for the RN's new aircraft carriers.
"The EMCAT is designed to fit in the space envelope that has been allowed within the aircraft carrier for a catapult. The intention of building and designing a small electromagnetic catapult and then developing the technology so that it could be scaled up was always a de-risking exercise in case the MoD did not choose the STOVL aircraft or it was considered necessary to launch other types of aircraft from these ships. The option would then exist to fit a catapult and operate conventional carrier-borne aircraft," Dannatt said.
So if the money is already being spent on development, why not just put the cats on the ship right away? I can't imagine two operating systems are that expensive to buy and operate, when they are already developed.
And what's the price difference between the -B and -C model anyway, I'd guess that the -C might actually be cheaper / less maintanance intensive.
And then, with a CAT installed, wich seems a pretty minor thing from here on, why still buy any -Bs at all?
Could the RN be interested in SuperHornets or Rafalés? I don't really think so. It's all following some wiered logic here, IMO.
And maybe they'll also operate Hawkeyes at some point.
Converteam develops catapult launch system for UK carriers
By Tim Fish - 26 July 2010
The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) is investing in the development of an electromagnetic catapult system for the Royal Navy's Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers in case procurement of the F-35B short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) version of the Joint Strike Fighter is abandoned.
Power conversion specialist Converteam UK announced on 20 July that in 2009 it was awarded a GBP650,000 (USD1 million) follow-on contract to continue the design, development and demonstration of high-power electrical systems for its EMCAT (electro-magnetic catapult) system and that work on the contract was nearing completion.
The naval director at Converteam UK, Mark Dannatt, told Jane's on 22 July that a small-scale EMCAT system had been completed in 2007 to prove the operation of modern linear motor, energy stores and control systems. Since then, extensive testing of the system has been successfully undertaken, as well as further work at the request of the MoD to enable Converteam UK to scale the system up to a full-size catapult suitable for the RN's new aircraft carriers.
"The EMCAT is designed to fit in the space envelope that has been allowed within the aircraft carrier for a catapult. The intention of building and designing a small electromagnetic catapult and then developing the technology so that it could be scaled up was always a de-risking exercise in case the MoD did not choose the STOVL aircraft or it was considered necessary to launch other types of aircraft from these ships. The option would then exist to fit a catapult and operate conventional carrier-borne aircraft," Dannatt said.
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