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Looks like a little US Navy flying honor guard for Hyuga.
That they are. In fact, Sea Hawk helicopters from Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron (HS) 14, forward deployed out of NAS Atsugi and off of the USS George Washington.
That squadron is unique because it is the largest Helicopter Anti-Submarine squadron in the US Navy, with 12 helicopters. Most HS squadrons have 7 or 8 helicopters.
Thanks to all for responding in this thread. It is chocked full of CV info..
Today in some spare time I went through the old Aircrfat carrier thread.. We had great discussions in their! Check it out! You may get a chuckle out of your old post or someone else's.
Here's a link!
Aircraft Carriers
Today in some spare time I went through the old Aircrfat carrier thread.. We had great discussions in their! Check it out! You may get a chuckle out of your old post or someone else's.
Here's a link!
Aircraft Carriers
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I like how you can see two pairs of legs dangling out of the starboard door of the nearest helo. Looks like a couple of sight see-ers sitting on the floor with their legs hanging outside. Hopefully they are wearing gunners belts attached to the aircraft's floor.
Galrahn
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Re: Latest PLAN Aircraft Carrier Info & Photos
The EM cat for the US is still far from a done deal. The folks at China Lake still have several hurdles to leap before it will even make it on the USS Ford - a decision time has been set for early Spring. This could in fact cause serious delay to the first Ford, and send the cost of that aircraft carrier towards $14 or $15 billion! Hope for the best...
China is at least a decade, if not much further, from EM cat technology. This technology is far more complicated than this EM cat discussion is allowing for. If China builds a conventional cat carrier, it will use steam.
The EM cat for the US is still far from a done deal. The folks at China Lake still have several hurdles to leap before it will even make it on the USS Ford - a decision time has been set for early Spring. This could in fact cause serious delay to the first Ford, and send the cost of that aircraft carrier towards $14 or $15 billion! Hope for the best...
China is at least a decade, if not much further, from EM cat technology. This technology is far more complicated than this EM cat discussion is allowing for. If China builds a conventional cat carrier, it will use steam.
Re: Latest PLAN Aircraft Carrier Info & Photos
That's right about the EMAL..however I remember reading that the CVN-78 class is being engineered with either EMAL or steam cats in mind. I don't think there shall be a delay.
Not gonna work. The terminal velocity of an steam aircraft at the end of the catapult is 165mph(265kph). When that aircraft hits that ski ramp at that speed it's nose gear better be very well reinforced otherwise it will collapse.
That's right about the EMAL..however I remember reading that the CVN-78 class is being engineered with either EMAL or steam cats in mind. I don't think there shall be a delay.
Not gonna work. The terminal velocity of an steam aircraft at the end of the catapult is 165mph(265kph). When that aircraft hits that ski ramp at that speed it's nose gear better be very well reinforced otherwise it will collapse.
Galrahn
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Sir you are misinformed. If EMAILs does not work a massive redesign effort will be needed and the costs will be significant. Once we learn whether EMALS works, I'll come back and discuss the details in more depth.
Look up pictures of EMALS, it is enormous, and plumbing through the hull back to a new design nuclear reactor already nearly completed and not designed to release steam for catapults will be a tricky feat indeed.
I do hope you are right though.
Sir you are misinformed. If EMAILs does not work a massive redesign effort will be needed and the costs will be significant. Once we learn whether EMALS works, I'll come back and discuss the details in more depth.
Look up pictures of EMALS, it is enormous, and plumbing through the hull back to a new design nuclear reactor already nearly completed and not designed to release steam for catapults will be a tricky feat indeed.
I do hope you are right though.
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I usally am..but if I'm wrong I sure will admit it. I know I read that somewhere..
I do not want to argue with you but according to the folks that are building, General Atomics, the first EMAL is actually smaller than a steam catapult.
The USN has recently shown off it's EMAL catapult with a ribbon cutting cermony.
But this is the PLAN CV thread..so..let's get back on topic.
I usally am..but if I'm wrong I sure will admit it. I know I read that somewhere..
I do not want to argue with you but according to the folks that are building, General Atomics, the first EMAL is actually smaller than a steam catapult.
The USN has recently shown off it's EMAL catapult with a ribbon cutting cermony.
But this is the PLAN CV thread..so..let's get back on topic.
Galrahn
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popeye,
We are professionals. We don't argue; we discuss.
by my friend Bill Sweetman on the EMALS system. Check out the weight involved in that system. I still believe if it doesn't work in time, the USN will do what they always do - throw money at the problem.
I'm watching Peter Frost's reporting, he'll know before anyone else what the results are. My research on how hard it is to redesign for steam is based on questions asked of Captain J. Talbot Manvel, Professor of warship design at the US Naval Academy and formally the first Program Manager for the Future Carrier Program that designed the new Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier.
You should see Captain Manvel's models of the CVN-21 program alternatives, including his model of the stealth aircraft carrier they looked at, but ultimately decided not to build due to cost (and the fact no aircraft carrier is stealthy from space). I found that with free beer he'll bring the models to the pub and let you check them out.
popeye,
We are professionals. We don't argue; we discuss.
by my friend Bill Sweetman on the EMALS system. Check out the weight involved in that system. I still believe if it doesn't work in time, the USN will do what they always do - throw money at the problem.
I'm watching Peter Frost's reporting, he'll know before anyone else what the results are. My research on how hard it is to redesign for steam is based on questions asked of Captain J. Talbot Manvel, Professor of warship design at the US Naval Academy and formally the first Program Manager for the Future Carrier Program that designed the new Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier.
You should see Captain Manvel's models of the CVN-21 program alternatives, including his model of the stealth aircraft carrier they looked at, but ultimately decided not to build due to cost (and the fact no aircraft carrier is stealthy from space). I found that with free beer he'll bring the models to the pub and let you check them out.
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