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Pointblank

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There has been a lot of salesmanship going on with that thing. Sigh. Now there is a problem for the USN with this aircraft. The USN makes a habit of filling out it's carrier air groups with Marine Corps F/A-18 squadrons. The Marines plan to replace their F/A-18 A through D models and all their Harriers with F-35B STOVL fighters and the US Navy is scratching their heads about how to integrate a STOVL aircraft into the carrier's flight operations. Don't think this will be easily solved either, flight deck operations are very carefully choreographed. This is a nice big monkey wrench in the well oiled machine. I'm certain others here will see it as a simple problem to solve. Fire away!

As noted before, the USS Franklin D Roosevelt made a deployment with Harriers very late in her career. They were able to make the deployment work with existing fixed wing operations.
 

bd popeye

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As noted before, the USS Franklin D Roosevelt made a deployment with Harriers very late in her career. They were able to make the deployment work with existing fixed wing operations.

True enough.

I think the Marines think that they will be pulled from CVWs if they don't have Super Hornets and F-35Cs...Of course they want F-35Bs to fill the decks of the America class LHAs even though only three are planned for now. Just my opinion.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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F35B's will also streamline there logistics as they only need spare parts for one type of jet as opposed too F18's, EA6B's and AV8's.
Mixing in F-A18's or F35C would change the mix the Hornets don't use the same of any thing and the C models have specialized wings and tails.
The Marines seem too be thinking this way with there UH1Y Venom and AH1Z vipers Same engines same rotors same tails.
 

Scratch

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Already a little old actually.

Four years out of service, quite an extensive overhaul. And the CIWS is modernized.

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USS Carl Vinson completes four-year overhaul


By Sam LaGrone 16 December 2009

After four years out of operational service for a mid-life refuelling, complex overhaul (RCOH) and post-shakedown availability/supplemental restricted availability (PSA/SRA) work, the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) sailed out of Northrop Grumman's Newport News shipyard on 3 December to rejoin the US Navy's active fleet.

By 13 December, F/A-18C Hornets from Strike Fighter Squadron 34 and SH-60 Seahawk helicopters, among other aircraft, were participating in two days of carrier flight deck certifications for air department personnel.

Begun in November 2005, Carl Vinson's USD3.12 billion RCOH has seen the 91,500-ton vessel stripped out and refurbished from the keel up. The refit involved the modernisation of some 2,300 compartments.

As part of the vessel's CAPSTONE combat system upgrade, Raytheon's Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) system replaced one of the ship's two Mk 29 octuple trainable launchers and both Phalanx Vulcan 20 mm close-in-weapon system mounts.

The island superstructure was reconfigured and now bears a 70-ton main mast and updated sensors, similar to those equipping the final Nimitz-class carrier, USS George H W Bush (CVN 77).
 

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USS Carl Vinson completes four-year overhaul

Begun in November 2005, Carl Vinson's USD3.12 billion RCOH has seen the 91,500-ton vessel stripped out and refurbished from the keel up. The refit involved the modernisation of some 2,300 compartments.

As part of the vessel's CAPSTONE combat system upgrade, Raytheon's Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) system replaced one of the ship's two Mk 29 octuple trainable launchers and both Phalanx Vulcan 20 mm close-in-weapon system mounts.

The island superstructure was reconfigured and now bears a 70-ton main mast and updated sensors, similar to those equipping the final Nimitz-class carrier, USS George H W Bush (CVN 77).
And here she is, after the successful completion of sea trials (high res photo) ...

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Totoro

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Hey Jeff, do you happen to know the dimensions of hangar of the nimitz class (or kitty hawk class or Enterprise class?) Just a rough figure would suffice, X by Y feet, it doesnt matter if it's not a perfect rectangle...
 

bd popeye

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Hey Jeff, do you happen to know the dimensions of hangar of the nimitz class (or kitty hawk class or Enterprise class?) Just a rough figure would suffice, X by Y feet, it doesnt matter if it's not a perfect rectangle...

A Nimitz class hangar may be slightly larger than a FID..not by much

According to Norman Friedman's "U.S.Carriers: an Illustrated Design History" the hangar dimensions of the Forrestal class are 740'x101'x25' (height).
 

Jeff Head

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Hey Jeff, do you happen to know the dimensions of hangar of the nimitz class (or kitty hawk class or Enterprise class?) Just a rough figure would suffice, X by Y feet, it doesnt matter if it's not a perfect rectangle...
A standard Nimitz class hanger bay is 110 feet wide, 685 feet long, and 25 feet high, (this does not include the Intermediate Maintenance Division (AIMD) shops just forward of the fantail where they test the jet engines, among other things). The hangar bay is split into zones seperated by slide-open fire doors.

Here are some pics from inside the hangar bay of various Nimitz class carriers:

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nimitz-hangar-02.jpg


nimitz-hangar-03.jpg


nimitz-hangar-04.jpg


nimitz-hangar-05.jpg
 

bd popeye

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A standard Nimitz class hanger bay is 110 feet wide, 685 feet long, and 25 feet high,

When it's empty it appears much larger than that. On the Forrestal(FID) demensions they must be including the jet shop... Or the Ground Support Equipment shop which is at the froward end of the hangar deck.

The Nimitz now has three hangar bays. When I was on board in '91 they had only two.
 
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Totoro

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Thank you both. :) I find it very interesting that a Nimitz, which is supposedly 40 meters wide at water level, has a hangar of under 34 meters in width, even if its few decks above waterline.

I believe it is safe to assume then that the 16 meters length difference between forrestal and nimitz classes is the workshops.

Ford class should have pretty much the same hangar, as far as i can tell...
 
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