AEGIS and AEGIS Like escort combatants of the World
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Re: Aircraft Carriers II
There is already a thread for the Indian Kolkata class (Project 15 and 15A) on SD so the videos about that launch should go there.
I do not think there is an INS Shivalik, Project 17 and 17A thread, so you might want to start one and put those videos there. You might include the following picture of the Project 17A FFG since Project 17 is now complete with the launch and commissioning of the third Project 17 vessel, the INS Sahyadri.
These are nice videos, but this thread is principally about Aricraft Carriers...so the Virkamaditya or the Virkant would be great to discuss here.
There is already a thread for the Indian Kolkata class (Project 15 and 15A) on SD so the videos about that launch should go there.
I do not think there is an INS Shivalik, Project 17 and 17A thread, so you might want to start one and put those videos there. You might include the following picture of the Project 17A FFG since Project 17 is now complete with the launch and commissioning of the third Project 17 vessel, the INS Sahyadri.
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Re: Indian Kolkata Class DDG
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asif iqbal
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Re: Indian Kolkata Class DDG
Well then, maybe you can explain why The Indian Defense Minister Arackaparambil Kurien Antony informed the Lower House of Parliament that warship construction is running over budget and late because of the quality of steel sourced from Russia? So indian ship builders are unable to supply the steel that is required for FFG and DDG construction, if the basic steel needed for warships is not sourced inside India you work out the rest, INS Kolkata is now been sitting there for how many years, or should I say how many decades?? It took best part of 10 years to launch single FFG
Project 15A is 300% over budget and and Project 17 is in excess of 300%
For just 3 DDG and 4 FFG the cost is now more than $2 billion no DDG is finished
Lets look at the facts, in the last 15 years India has only managed to commission 3 FFG the rest is just talk
You might like to sugar coat these projects but I actually know the status of each and everyone one of them
Well then, maybe you can explain why The Indian Defense Minister Arackaparambil Kurien Antony informed the Lower House of Parliament that warship construction is running over budget and late because of the quality of steel sourced from Russia? So indian ship builders are unable to supply the steel that is required for FFG and DDG construction, if the basic steel needed for warships is not sourced inside India you work out the rest, INS Kolkata is now been sitting there for how many years, or should I say how many decades?? It took best part of 10 years to launch single FFG
Project 15A is 300% over budget and and Project 17 is in excess of 300%
For just 3 DDG and 4 FFG the cost is now more than $2 billion no DDG is finished
Lets look at the facts, in the last 15 years India has only managed to commission 3 FFG the rest is just talk
You might like to sugar coat these projects but I actually know the status of each and everyone one of them
timepass
Brigadier
Re: Indian Kolkata Class DDG
The Indians will have a muich improved aircraft carrier over their current carrier by the end of this year, the Vikram and they already have and are flying the MIG-29Ks that will be embarked on it. The will have (I believe) their first indegenous carrier launched and in service by 2015, and will already have the Mig-29Ks for that vessel two.
By that time (2015) they will have three Kolkatas launched and commissioned, with three more coming along. but those three will give them the high end escorts for their carriers.
They already have their three Shivilak FFGs in commission and thir first 17A FFG will be in commission by 2015. I believe the INS will meet all of these goals and so they are going to have two very decent Carrier Groups in the 2015-2016 period.
At least one of these groups will be able to be accompanied by a nuclear powered attack submarine, the INS Chakra II, an Akula II class SSN that the Indians havetaken possession of from the Russians which was commissioned in Indian service in 2012 which will mean that the Indian NAvy will have the one SSN to escort one of its carriers. They really need another to have one available at all times.
And yet, even with this...
The Indians will have a muich improved aircraft carrier over their current carrier by the end of this year, the Vikram and they already have and are flying the MIG-29Ks that will be embarked on it. The will have (I believe) their first indegenous carrier launched and in service by 2015, and will already have the Mig-29Ks for that vessel two.
By that time (2015) they will have three Kolkatas launched and commissioned, with three more coming along. but those three will give them the high end escorts for their carriers.
They already have their three Shivilak FFGs in commission and thir first 17A FFG will be in commission by 2015. I believe the INS will meet all of these goals and so they are going to have two very decent Carrier Groups in the 2015-2016 period.
At least one of these groups will be able to be accompanied by a nuclear powered attack submarine, the INS Chakra II, an Akula II class SSN that the Indians havetaken possession of from the Russians which was commissioned in Indian service in 2012 which will mean that the Indian NAvy will have the one SSN to escort one of its carriers. They really need another to have one available at all times.
Re: Indian Kolkata Class DDG
Jeff, the issue here is that IN has very rarely done anything on time or on budget. If you follow the livefist blog, their latest post on this topic is that IAC won't be commissioned until at least 2017.
And we have another 4 years, so there is room for this to be delayed even further.
Jeff, the issue here is that IN has very rarely done anything on time or on budget. If you follow the livefist blog, their latest post on this topic is that IAC won't be commissioned until at least 2017.
And we have another 4 years, so there is room for this to be delayed even further.
Re: Indian Kolkata Class DDG
Despite this, it took the indian shipbuilding industry a whopping 7 years from launch to commissioning of every one of the three shivalik class frigates... (ten years, if we include when they were laid down)
It will take an equivalent amount of time for each of the kolkata DDGs, from being laid down to commissioning too, and that's if the first kolkata will reach its early-mid 2013 commissioning date this year...
By contrast it's taken HD and HP respectively an average of one year, two years at most, between launch and commissioning for all their 054As, with a similar timespan for the 052Cs.
Now I'm not saying the IN necessarily needs such an aggressive or effective build and commissioning rate (obviously the faster the better, if they have the crew and resources, but I believe they probably don't) -- but 7 years between launch and commissioning is abysmal. They'll get some good, decent ships out of this round of construction, but if they want to form a standard surface escort group of 3 modern frigates, a couple of modern destroyers, they will drain most of their modern fleet in a go... If it takes another 7 years to build 3 frigates and 3 destroyers it may even end up a challenge to keep up their surface combatant numbers from shrinking, let alone considering the addition of escorts for CVBGs.
Despite this, it took the indian shipbuilding industry a whopping 7 years from launch to commissioning of every one of the three shivalik class frigates... (ten years, if we include when they were laid down)
It will take an equivalent amount of time for each of the kolkata DDGs, from being laid down to commissioning too, and that's if the first kolkata will reach its early-mid 2013 commissioning date this year...
By contrast it's taken HD and HP respectively an average of one year, two years at most, between launch and commissioning for all their 054As, with a similar timespan for the 052Cs.
Now I'm not saying the IN necessarily needs such an aggressive or effective build and commissioning rate (obviously the faster the better, if they have the crew and resources, but I believe they probably don't) -- but 7 years between launch and commissioning is abysmal. They'll get some good, decent ships out of this round of construction, but if they want to form a standard surface escort group of 3 modern frigates, a couple of modern destroyers, they will drain most of their modern fleet in a go... If it takes another 7 years to build 3 frigates and 3 destroyers it may even end up a challenge to keep up their surface combatant numbers from shrinking, let alone considering the addition of escorts for CVBGs.