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Brigadier
I've read this before.
I highly doubt that they built a factory just to bid on Apple's business. I don't doubt that's what they *told* Apple, but come on!
A look inside the Chinese Beidou system receiver
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I've read this before.
I highly doubt that they built a factory just to bid on Apple's business. I don't doubt that's what they *told* Apple, but come on!
Electronic industry is the most globalized industry of our times. Studying how the global supply chain works gives one the idea of how interdependent the world is and how the economics work behind the industry.
iPhone is the most visible and representative electronic product.
Here is the more detailed and broader New York Time report on Apple finding and working with the screen glass supplier in China. It gives one a deeper understanding of what China's role in this kind of global supply chain and why the common perception that all China does is to assemble the components and parts from other countries is simply wrong. Simply put, at least in this case, the Chinese brings a lot of value to the table and Apple, beyond just the cheap labor.
Here is a quote from the report:
"After one executive left that meeting, he booked a flight to Shenzhen, China. If Mr. Jobs wanted perfect, there was nowhere else to go. "
Here is another story, reported in Wall Street Journal, again, about Chinese glass supplier to Apple. This time, it's not about glass for iPhone screen or cover; rather it's glass in Apple stores' stair steps.
The report actually goes beyond just covering this particular supplier, to trace the development of China's glass industry since the '90s.
Another report that covers the same supplier to Apple Store:
"Previously, all the architectural glass for Apple’s retail stores was made by Seele GmbH & Co. in Germany. No other company had the equipment, training or expertise to manufacture glass panels to meet Apple’s requirements. "
"Proudly, Gao told the conference that only two companies on earth can make glass to Apple’s high standards—Seele and North Glass."
Enuff about Chinese glass suppliers. LOL. I'm sure this is just one of the many similar examples that have been happening in the world's factory.
iPhone is the most visible and representative electronic product.
Here is the more detailed and broader New York Time report on Apple finding and working with the screen glass supplier in China. It gives one a deeper understanding of what China's role in this kind of global supply chain and why the common perception that all China does is to assemble the components and parts from other countries is simply wrong. Simply put, at least in this case, the Chinese brings a lot of value to the table and Apple, beyond just the cheap labor.
Here is a quote from the report:
"After one executive left that meeting, he booked a flight to Shenzhen, China. If Mr. Jobs wanted perfect, there was nowhere else to go. "
Here is another story, reported in Wall Street Journal, again, about Chinese glass supplier to Apple. This time, it's not about glass for iPhone screen or cover; rather it's glass in Apple stores' stair steps.
The report actually goes beyond just covering this particular supplier, to trace the development of China's glass industry since the '90s.
Another report that covers the same supplier to Apple Store:
"Previously, all the architectural glass for Apple’s retail stores was made by Seele GmbH & Co. in Germany. No other company had the equipment, training or expertise to manufacture glass panels to meet Apple’s requirements. "
"Proudly, Gao told the conference that only two companies on earth can make glass to Apple’s high standards—Seele and North Glass."
Enuff about Chinese glass suppliers. LOL. I'm sure this is just one of the many similar examples that have been happening in the world's factory.
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By and large, the interdependence comes from foreign components and then China assemble them together into system.
Nope. China is the final assembly point for the global supply chain, but that does not mean China simply assemble foreign components. In fact most of the components are made in China; that's precisely one of the key reasons why China is the world's factory.
I've used glass supplier as one example of China making key components that are hard to source elsewhere. Somehow you still don't get it, do you?
Let me try again. Here is a recent report from The Economist on "" It's simple: China has the most complete manufacture supply chain making all kinds of components.
And it's not limited to electronic industry. In fact many other industries are clustered in Zhejiang, Fujian etc. Some foreign components are imported, to be sure, but the majority of the parts and components are made in China.
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Lieutenant General
By and large you have no idea how much of it is foreign components made and how much of it is China made. If China just assembles the product than they wouldn't become the 2nd largest economy in the world today. Did those "foreign" components has over seas Chinese working for them designing it? Does that count as foreign made or Chinese made.
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Colonel
Where do you think those "foreign components" are made? I thought China had been portrayed as the bad guy in the West because the Chinese took away most of the manufacturing jobs? So if the West is no longer making these "foreign components", then where are they made? Also, the trade deficit between China and the US, along with all other Western nations, has been hugely criticized. If the West is making all those "foreign components", where did the deficit come from? Please don't tell me it's the socks and bed sheets because you can't find textile stuff made in China in any stores (Wal-Mart, Target, etc) in the States any more. China has to be making something???
I am talking strictly about electronic systems. Not clothes, socks,or heavy industry products.
If China capable of making all those components, its GDP should already surpass US already instead of slightly more than half of US's. They still have a long way to go.
glass is just a material processing, it has no IPs so it doesn't count.
Yes, Shenzhen has a lot of components but a lot of them are foreign origin.
An real inside article with more realistic outlook. The situation is worded as "Pathetic" Do a google translate on this.
国产军用集成电路真实水平惨不忍睹
最近一段时间，凡是涉及到军方的项目都会有一个指标是国产化率，就是国产的电子元器件占整个系统的比率，能用国产的就要用国产的，为了方便设计人员使用，有关部门推出了国产军用定型电子元件优选目录，这个目录做的还是很详细的，各种参数都有，性能指标，年生产能力，供货周期，为了方便替代进口电子元件还标明了对应的外国电子元件的型号。说实话我们都很希望能用上各种国产的芯片，当我满怀希望的打开客户端，瞬间裤衩惨白，我仿佛又回到了上个世纪八九十年代那个要啥没啥的时代。
随便先说几个我比较常用的，现场可编程门阵列，核心器件，定型的有三个型号，一个是北京某公司，另外两个都是成都某公司的，都是仿的（自己标明的），最高大上的是成都仿xilinx XCV600的，大约是2001，2002年的水准。
裤衩最惨白的是模数转换芯片AD，美国佬给中国禁运的标准是>8bit 10MSPS，TI公司吞并国半后2010年推出的射频采样AD已经可以做到3。6GSPS以上，还是12bit，这其中的差距可想而知，由于禁运导致我们都得花高价买走私货，我看了这个目录觉得美国佬这个标准定得真TM准，国产的AD基本没有超越过这个标准的，16位的采样率都是以K为单位的，目录中唯一打破禁运标准的是北京某公司推出的10bit 40MSPS的AD芯片。我觉得这已经是逆天的水平了，
而且这些芯片的年供货量非常少都是几百只，而且供货周期长。想大批量采购都比较困难
最近十年来我国的在雷达，电子对抗等领域取得了很大的进展，这是大家都公认的，但是很大程度上这些进步都是建立在进口电子元器件之上。我觉得我国应在集成电路方面加大投入和研究力度，因为我们的市场已经被进口元件全面占领，任何企业研究所不搞外包代工从基础开始研发全部都是亏本，就像这个目录上的有些东西，除非强制命令，否则不会有人用，技术上实在差了太多。
还有一点就是国内相关高校和某些研究所应该有一点责任心，做点实实在在的东西出来，别尼玛整天吹填补国内空白，国际先进水平，打破外国垄断，结果到头来我们还是得买外国人的片子，经费已经骗了这么多，大家都发家致富了，该干点正事了
国产军用集成电路真实水平惨不忍睹
最近一段时间，凡是涉及到军方的项目都会有一个指标是国产化率，就是国产的电子元器件占整个系统的比率，能用国产的就要用国产的，为了方便设计人员使用，有关部门推出了国产军用定型电子元件优选目录，这个目录做的还是很详细的，各种参数都有，性能指标，年生产能力，供货周期，为了方便替代进口电子元件还标明了对应的外国电子元件的型号。说实话我们都很希望能用上各种国产的芯片，当我满怀希望的打开客户端，瞬间裤衩惨白，我仿佛又回到了上个世纪八九十年代那个要啥没啥的时代。
随便先说几个我比较常用的，现场可编程门阵列，核心器件，定型的有三个型号，一个是北京某公司，另外两个都是成都某公司的，都是仿的（自己标明的），最高大上的是成都仿xilinx XCV600的，大约是2001，2002年的水准。
裤衩最惨白的是模数转换芯片AD，美国佬给中国禁运的标准是>8bit 10MSPS，TI公司吞并国半后2010年推出的射频采样AD已经可以做到3。6GSPS以上，还是12bit，这其中的差距可想而知，由于禁运导致我们都得花高价买走私货，我看了这个目录觉得美国佬这个标准定得真TM准，国产的AD基本没有超越过这个标准的，16位的采样率都是以K为单位的，目录中唯一打破禁运标准的是北京某公司推出的10bit 40MSPS的AD芯片。我觉得这已经是逆天的水平了，
而且这些芯片的年供货量非常少都是几百只，而且供货周期长。想大批量采购都比较困难
最近十年来我国的在雷达，电子对抗等领域取得了很大的进展，这是大家都公认的，但是很大程度上这些进步都是建立在进口电子元器件之上。我觉得我国应在集成电路方面加大投入和研究力度，因为我们的市场已经被进口元件全面占领，任何企业研究所不搞外包代工从基础开始研发全部都是亏本，就像这个目录上的有些东西，除非强制命令，否则不会有人用，技术上实在差了太多。
还有一点就是国内相关高校和某些研究所应该有一点责任心，做点实实在在的东西出来，别尼玛整天吹填补国内空白，国际先进水平，打破外国垄断，结果到头来我们还是得买外国人的片子，经费已经骗了这么多，大家都发家致富了，该干点正事了