27 dead, in Kunming railway station attack

Equation said:

You don't need foreigners to train you in attacking the public with whatever devices available. You just need to stay in contact with them to let them know the situation at hand and when is the good time to strike on the public.

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Here's an example of a semi coordinated Flash Mob/Riot organized via social media at Brooklyn mall a couple of months ago. These people didn't really know each other but were given a time and place to gather and cause trouble.

[video=youtube;di-QHkN79_4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-QHkN79_4[/video]

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Although Uighur is likely, I doubt sponsor or training. First this is terrorist in nature, but not necessarily foreign. The Uighur nationality has a long grudge against ethnic Chinese, and ethnic Chinese have visa versa so domestic seems more likely.

second if you compared the actions in China to even the attacks in neighboring countries with strict gun control like Indian you, would note the choice of arms in Chinese attacks are always knives, clubs and hand to hand weapons. The Indian attack in Mumbai used AK's the attacks in Pakistan use explosives and AK's. If these attackers in China could have left the country and gotten foreign terrorist training then why not bomb? I mean terrorist groups know how to make homemade explosives and detonators, and if they could sneak out of the country with ease to attend such terrorists camps then why not establish a gun running route? I mean the casualty rate would be much higher. Hence my doubt of foreign sponsoring or training.

I do feel sorrow for the family's of victims.

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chuck731 said:

This could also be a Tibetan terrorist group.

But I agree Uighur is more likely. The sort of attack against civilians far outside of own territory is a form of terrorism that is relatively new and modern, and not traditional to Uighur or anyone else. While Islamic fundamentalist groups are not the only practitioners of this sort of terrorism, they are certainly by far the most prolific and well known practitioners of this. It certainly seem likely that if it were carred out by uighurs, then the methodology, and possibly finer points of ideology beyond mere anti-Chinese ethnic resentment, is inspired from abroad.

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Though highly unlikely but not impossible this could even be a joint Tibetan/Uighur mass casualty terror operation.

Have Tibetan and Uighur terrorist groups ever worked together?

I love the hypocrisy of who is called a terrorist. The Iraqi insurgents that fought against the West were all labeled terrorists. So combatants fighting against an invading army into their own country are terrorists? Is there no doubt the British labeled Chinese who fought against the British in the Opium Wars "terrorists?" It use to be a terrorist was someone who killed innocent civilians in order to send out a message usually political in nature. This falls into that category because it was coordinated involving more than one individual. But these days being a victim of terrorism garners privileges. Like violating human rights in order to stop it while holding out cherishing human rights in order to make oneself out to be special thus have more rights than others. So now you know why they get to decide themselves for the rest of the world who is and isn't a terrorist.

I also love how a terrorist has to call himself a terrorist in order to be labeled a terrorist. How many terrorists do that? Like the people "officially" labeled "terrorist" by those given self-anointed authority don't have the same exact anger of those that aren't given the label of "terrorist?" Like the official terrorist only kills out a lust for killing? Because you know they have to make the motive as senseless as possible to justify action against crazed people who feel no consequences. Ironic to make this incident out to be not politically motivated in order to prevent China from justifying action yet when they're the victim they have to make it as senseless as possible. Look at all that contradiction. Contradiction is the nature of selfishness.

Notice how Mao is made out to be the greatest human rights violating criminal in the entire history of the world? Notice also how Mao's victims, the Chinese people themselves, are ironically not recognized as the greatest victims in the history of the world? Now how can that be where you have the greatest criminal and the greatest victims not in the same place? Look at how in the victim culture they have created victims ironically have rights other people don't have hence why so many people want to label themselves a victim of whatever. Why would anyone want to be a victim unless it garnered certain privileges others don't get. They don't anoint themselves the only true judge of what is or isn't because they're looking out for what's best for everyone else. They do it because it comes back to what they've always wanted and that's power over others because they simply get to define reality.

Wow the spinning in western media is really becoming unbelievable.

This whole "the heavy handedness and repression by the government " line.

BS I don't think the BBC ever said anything like that about the British military and authorities in Northern Ireland. If we used the west's way of defining terrorism then the IRA is not a terrorist organization but an advocacy group for Irish suffering from British repression!

ABC78 said:

Though highly unlikely but not impossible this could even be a joint Tibetan/Uighur mass casualty terror operation.

Have Tibetan and Uighur terrorist groups ever worked together?

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During the 2008 Tibetan unrest the mob beat Han and Hui bystanders alike. Given how West Asian terrorists have the unfortunate habit of defacing Buddhist statues, I don't see the two extremists working together in a meaningful way.

Chuck, why the cold-war mentality?

So what if China's economy is going to surpass that of the Western world's? Does that by nature make us your opponent and enemy?

China'a economy is deeply rooted and linked to the rest of the world. Even the Western media recognises China's economic growth has contributed greatly to the world's recovery.

When we grow, we can grow together. It's not a zero-sum game, it's a win-win situation.

As long as Western governments recognise that.

China is not another Soviet Union. We don't seek to provoke revolutions and spread communism around the world and the only reason we could grow to today's prosperity is exactly because we have abandoned the Soviet Union's cold-war mentality and immersed ourselves in the global economy.

Why can't you understand this?

Anyone translate this file please. I think I have to learn more English.

RickHunter said:

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Anyone translate this file please. I think I have to learn more English.

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Short version:

A Black Cadillac carrying a load of knives and other weapons traveling from Lianjiang to Fuzhou was intercepted by domestic police (not PAP) just two days after the incident at Kunming.

Wonder how many lives they managed to save with that intercept.

xiabonan said:

Chuck, why the cold-war mentality?

So what if China's economy is going to surpass that of the Western world's? Does that by nature make us your opponent and enemy?

China'a economy is deeply rooted and linked to the rest of the world. Even the Western media recognises China's economic growth has contributed greatly to the world's recovery.

When we grow, we can grow together. It's not a zero-sum game, it's a win-win situation.

As long as Western governments recognise that.

China is not another Soviet Union. We don't seek to provoke revolutions and spread communism around the world and the only reason we could grow to today's prosperity is exactly because we have abandoned the Soviet Union's cold-war mentality and immersed ourselves in the global economy.

Why can't you understand this?

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It's not a Cold War mentality. It is the recognition that the United States no longer believe rise of china could be persuaded to impose merely a moderate and acceptable reduction in American influence in the world, but would not seriously alter the fundamental rules that the US has become accustomed to, and which is so constructed as to give the US considerable advantage over other industrialized nations, and giving industrialized nations that submit to this system considerable advantage over the rest of the world. It no longer believe china is willing to join this system, nor that this system can bear the weight of china without collapsing.

It now sees rise of china as representing a fundamental assault upon fundamental rules of how the world works to America's advantage, and therefore in American mind the right and proper system for the world.

China is not an existential threat to United States, nor indeed as hostile to American system as the USSR had been, yet, but it still by far the most serious threat to America in the world today. Far more so than Russia.

Ok back to the subject. So far 3 more suspects has been caught.

BEIJING (AP) — Police have captured the three remaining suspects in a slashing rampage at a train station in southwestern China that killed 29 people, state media said Monday.

Clashes in Xinjiang between authorities and ethnic Uighurs over the past year have left scores dead, but the assault Saturday evening occurred more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles) to the southeast in Yunnan province, which has not had a history of such unrest.

Citing a statement from the Ministry of Public Security, the official Xinhua News Agency said a "terrorist gang" of six men and two women led by a person identified as Abdurehim Kurban was responsible for the attack.

Xinhua said police shot and killed four of the attackers, who used knives to slash at crowds of people, and captured an injured female suspect at the scene.

The brief Xinhua report did not identify the ethnicity of the eight or say how the final three suspects were identified and captured.

Xinjiang is home to a simmering rebellion against Chinese rule by some members of the Muslim Uighur (pronounced WEE'-gur) population, and the government has responded there with heavy-handed security.

Another unprecedented attack attributed by authorities to Uighurs occurred last October in Beijing. Three assailants and two tourists were killed in the attack at Tiananmen Gate.

In Washington, the State Department said it did not have any independent information about the identity or the motivation of the attackers.

Spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Monday that based on information reported by Chinese media, the violence in Kunming "appears to be an act of terrorism targeting random members of the public." She said the U.S. deplores violence directed at innocent civilians, regardless of the cause.

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