2022 Olympic Winter Games Beijing

Century2030

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I think everyone (especially chinese propaganda department) is giving Ailing Gu too much attention unless they are just rubbing it in now while the rubbing is good and will forget about it in a few years, it will look silly when she decides to keep her us citizenship AND compete for the US in 4 years.
It's alright. China and Chinese media is just enjoying the moment. She won gold for Team China so it's ok giving her credit and the spotlight.
If in the future she decides to switch to Team USA, that's okay too. No one can predict the future so let's enjoy the present while it lasts..
 

B.I.B.

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Yeah an error in landing. The guy is a veteran of 3 Olympics. Shame he could not get a gold to finish his Olympics career. Next one might be too far away for him. Nevertheless silver is still exceptionally good.
Are there any other individual events he is entered.?
 

taxiya

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Why only limit to athletes? Olympic or not.

They should allow all China-born ethnic Chinese to keep their citizenship if they choose so. They can also accept foreign nationals of non ethnic Chinese to be naturalized based certain conditions (merit, heritage, etc.)

If there were any concern about political risk, they can at least follow India's NRI (Non-Resident Indian) model. That is, people holding foreign passports or of dual citizenship are not allowed to hold political office or other sensitive positions.

The current no-dual-citizen policy/law is rooted in historical insecurity or victimhood or resource-poor mentality. Your people is your asset, not your liability. If they have no intention to give up Chinese citizenship, why force them to just because they choose to hold foreign passports? You're giving up at the first sign of competition. People hold foreign passports for a variety reasons, mostly pragmatic ones.

In any case, they need some fresh thinking.
That reasoning is actually wrong. Chinese dynasties had held the same attitude towards Chinese emigrants as far as we know (by official decrees) since Ming dynasty. The idea is much earlier than that. There is an ancient saying by Han Yu 韩愈 768-824AD who quoted Kong Zi (Confucius) as saying

“孔子之作《春秋》也,诸侯用夷礼则夷之,夷而进于中国则中国之。”(《五百家注昌黎文集》卷一一《原道》)

It means, treat the feodal lord (Chinese people) as foreigners if they practice foreign rites, treat the foreigners as Chinese if they act as Chinese.

Worth to note, Han Yu lives in the Chinese Tang dynasty, the zenith of Han Chinese power. He isn't some government scholars of Yuan or Qing dynasty to justify "foreign" rules. This idea was also inherited by the Qing dynasty in their policy towards emigration to South East Asia. It is an universal Chinese idea.

From this ideology, an oversea Chinese especially after generations have almost exclusively foreign mind therefor can not be Chinese and has to be treated as foreigners.

Remember, China was a super power all the way to 1845, yet it has practised the same policy for most of its history. It has nothing to do with the weakness since 1845, but very much to do with the deep concept of what is Chinese. A person must be Chinese in the mind which is impossible if the person is immersed in a foreign society. Let's be honest, no matter how hard the parents may try to keep the child Chinese, one becomes what one grows up and lives in. A drop of water can not resist the flow of the river.

One may argue against this idea according to modern western idea of nationhood, but this idea is very defining Chinese one as old as China itself, so don't expect China to give it up quickly and easily.

I myself is Chinese living abroad with Chinese citizenship. I feel the convenience of holding a foreign passport. But when it was my time to make a choice, I chose to live with the inconvenience and did not give up my Chinese citizenship. If someone makes the opposite choice for whatever reason, that just means that he/she does not value China enough, therefor China should not value that person too much either. It is not like China has to actively beg someone to remain Chinese.
 
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Tyler

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Good point. Winter sports tend to be expensive to participate. The ordinary Chinese likely cannot afford all that expensive equipment, training, facilities, transport fees. Gu is definitely in the privileged class. Her mom attended Stanford and got into finance sector, I think. Her dad attended Harvard. I saw the feature on her where she had equestrian lessons as a kid. Her life and upbringing isn't typical of most Chinese. There is still a long way for China to reach the level of Western developed societies.
Her dad's identity is still unknown. What you read online is not accurate.
 

taxiya

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I think it would be reasonable for China to allow dual citizenship for the few Olympic athletes.
Law has to be equally applied to everybody, otherwise you are inviting people to destroy the system all together. At the end of day, life is not about medal (athletes), money (rich people), not even about technology (foreign talents). Life is about the people living under the same roof.
 

taxiya

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That reasoning is actually wrong. Chinese dynasties had held the same attitude towards Chinese emigrants as far as we know (by official decrees) since Ming dynasty. The idea is much earlier than that. There is an ancient saying by Han Yu 韩愈 768-824AD who quoted Kong Zi (Confucius) as saying

“孔子之作《春秋》也,诸侯用夷礼则夷之,夷而进于中国则中国之。”(《五百家注昌黎文集》卷一一《原道》)

It means, treat the feodal lord (Chinese people) as foreigners if they practice foreign rites, treat the foreigners as Chinese if they act as Chinese.

Worth to note, Han Yu lives in the Chinese Tang dynasty, the zenith of Han Chinese power. He isn't some government scholars of Yuan or Qing dynasty to justify "foreign" rules. This idea was also inherited by the Qing dynasty in their policy towards emigration to South East Asia. It is an universal Chinese idea.

From this ideology, an oversea Chinese especially after generations have almost exclusively foreign mind therefor can not be Chinese and has to be treated as foreigners.

Remember, China was a super power all the way to 1845, yet it has practised the same policy for most of its history. It has nothing to do with the weakness since 1845, but very much to do with the deep concept of what is Chinese. A person must be Chinese in the mind which is impossible if the person is immersed in a foreign society. Let's be honest, no matter how hard the parents may try to keep the child Chinese, one becomes what one grows up and lives in. A drop of water can not resist the flow of the river.

One may argue against this idea according to modern western idea of nationhood, but this idea is very defining Chinese one as old as China itself, so don't expect China to give it up quickly and easily.

I myself is Chinese living abroad with Chinese citizenship. I feel the convenience of holding a foreign passport. But when it was my time to make a choice, I chose to live with the inconvenience and did not give up my Chinese citizenship. If someone makes the opposite choice for whatever reason, that just means that he/she does not value China enough, therefor China should not value that person too much either. It is not like China has to actively beg someone to remain Chinese.
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A very similar example in a individual scale is the family rite. A woman married into the man's family is 100% member of the family having the right to pay tribute to the family ancestors. A married daughter is never allowed to step into the family temple (or worship chamber) after marriage as she is not the member of family any more. That is just how Chinese defines family, China the state is just a super-sized family by the same idea.
 

horse

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In a way, I feel like it is still somewhat western worshipping because besides her name/speaking mandarin, she seems mostly western.. ie lifestyle, appearance , etc. It seems like they are promoting her more than the other males that medaled.

China has changed.

I did not realize that, because I haven't been there for a while, so the change was subtle but permanent now.

I only realized that when I happen to watch some video, that had a young American blonde, in Beijing, during the pandemic, do a news clip for the Chinese television news.

She got into a cab. Spoke in English to the viewer. Spoke in Chinese to the cab driver. Went to the mall. Explained what it was like. She was smiling and appeared to be happy.

It was too normal it seemed. Just the norm for her.

It only hit me later.

I could not tell if that was China or America. The young blonde American woman, fit right in. If the audio was off, there was no way we could tell.

The younger generations of today, do not remember what China was like, because they do not know.

Foreigners in the old days, they were foreigners, they stuck out. Some of them would look scared. They would walk the streets totally frighten. That was hilarious! But those days are gone.

Guk Oi Ling fits in anywhere she wants to be, whether with her ancestors homeland or adapted land.

Does she come across as a confident young American woman? Or does she appear to be more of the strong Chinese woman? She tells people to go cry about it, so it seems to me she is more of the latter. LOL.

That is why I would say she is more Chinese than American. Today is it all about being a snowflake. That's what she thinks of snowflakes. That is my opinion. China is not a nation of snowflakes.

Also, she said in the press in an interview, that if someone does not like something, that is their problem, and not my problem. That is too much of being a hardline Chinese mentality.

From that, she definitely the strong Chinese woman type of person.

:D
 

Bellum_Romanum

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She's kind of ugly tho. She keeps complaining about her racial abuse and bullying without understanding the causes. "i lurb america why u keep bullying me"

Complete blockhead.

Basically Kyrie Irving of snowboarding.

I do not stan.

I couldn't bother to check but I'm sure Chloe Kim is not Stanford material

At least Nathan Chen has that quiet, smart guy vibes
Bro that's unfair to Chloe Kim. She feels and want to be American and that shouldn't be held against her or to any other Americans that are of Asian background. Let them carve their own journey of maybe one day, some day recognizing their Asian heritage with pride rather than derision, guilt, and embarrassment that are far too often feel by many Asians in the west.

Also, Chloe Kim went to Princeton so not too shabby.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I think everyone (especially chinese propaganda department) is giving Ailing Gu too much attention unless they are just rubbing it in now while the rubbing is good and will forget about it in a few years, it will look silly when she decides to keep her us citizenship AND compete for the US in 4 years.

In a way, I feel like it is still somewhat western worshipping because besides her name/speaking mandarin, she seems mostly western.. ie lifestyle, appearance , etc. It seems like they are promoting her more than the other males that medaled.
How often does anyone from the west, especially American born prominent anything male or female, let alone athletes of Chinese background so eager beaver to represent China? Not to mention that Eileen Gu is representing the country in the current political environment of mostly anti-China with literally wall to wall crank coverage of "Genocide, human rights, Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Covid-19, South China Sea, Huawei, debt trap, Space junk etc...

Jeremy Lin still sings the I love America crank and still China loves the dude. Eileen Gu has more balls than Jeremy Lin and other athletes, pseudo celebrities in America like that idiot Shang Chi Canadian Chinese actor.

We ought to give Eileen Gu a freaking break and laud her for being brave enough not to mention PROUD TO REPRESENT CHINA in the biggest sporting event in the world. We can't ask anything more than that.

And maybe, just maybe some folks in China that were reluctant to start a family would now start making babies to have A DAUGHTER that can grow up and become like Eileen Gu, not in looks but in spirit, bravery in the face of great challenge and to show that daughters are just as special as having sons. Look at China's team sports like soccer, volleyball where men are nowhere to be found.
 
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