2022 Olympic Winter Games Beijing

taxiya

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unfortunately there are plenty of idiots in China too. But 11,000 upvotes isn't too bad.

years ago I had real issue with China's censors as I thought it constrains the development of good ideas. But now I have grown, I think it more than make up by stop the spread of idiocy like in the US. and I have personally learned the value of NOT have an opinion on things I don't know much about. and focus on learning as broadly and deeply as possible rather than wasting my life express my stupid opinions.

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Censorship is very often necessary especially in cyberspace. The social media abuse just "killed" a young teenager Liu Xuezhou (刘学周) in early January.
 

victoon

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Western MSM making a mountain out of a molehill. This sort of thing happens to athletes and famous celebrities worldwide. When they screw up they get bashed by netizens. It's par for the course. Nothing unusual. Only reason western media is reporting this is because it aligns with their anti-China agenda..
it happens everywhere doesn't mean I want it to happen in China to my own people.

There is plenty of national pride in China for what the country and the people has achieved. But pride is easy, we feel good about ourselves for what other people have done. But we need more compassion for our people, so that we feel the pain others are feeling.

I am a nationalist. I believe China will and must lead this world. we can't do that by being as good as the west. we must be better. and I for one want to be someone that spreads good ideas and kindness among my own people.

all in all, what the MSM says, fairly or unfairly, is one thing. But having our own judgment and improve on own is another.
 

taxiya

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it happens everywhere doesn't mean I want it to happen in China to my own people.

There is plenty of national pride in China for what the country and the people has achieved. But pride is easy, we feel good about ourselves for what other people have done. But we need more compassion for our people, so that we feel the pain others are feeling.

I am a nationalist. I believe China will and must lead this world. we can't do that by being as good as the west. we must be better. and I for one want to be someone that spreads good ideas and kindness among my own people.

all in all, what the MSM says, fairly or unfairly, is one thing. But having our own judgment and improve on own is another.
I liked both your post and post of @Century2030 because I don't see you two disagree with anything. Century2030 was merely pointing out the usual western MSM's amplifying habits when some Chinese did bad things.
 

solarz

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unfortunately there are plenty of idiots in China too. But 11,000 upvotes isn't too bad.

years ago I had real issue with China's censors as I thought it constrains the development of good ideas. But now I have grown, I think it more than make up by stop the spread of idiocy like in the US. and I have personally learned the value of NOT have an opinion on things I don't know much about. and focus on learning as broadly and deeply as possible rather than wasting my life express my stupid opinions.

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The idea that an unrestricted internet will promote greater exchange of ideas was a naive notion promoted by ivory tower academics in the early 2000s. I well remember my computer science professors waxing lyrical about internet freedom.

The reality, however, played out entirely differently. Unrestricted discussions inevitably descended into a cesspool of misinformation and personal attacks. We can see this very phenomena on SDF: imagine if we didn't have moderation here, we'd be overrun by the likes of sleepy student and tidalwave with their dozens of alt accounts.
 

victoon

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The idea that an unrestricted internet will promote greater exchange of ideas was a naive notion promoted by ivory tower academics in the early 2000s. I well remember my computer science professors waxing lyrical about internet freedom.

The reality, however, played out entirely differently. Unrestricted discussions inevitably descended into a cesspool of misinformation and personal attacks. We can see this very phenomena on SDF: imagine if we didn't have moderation here, we'd be overrun by the likes of sleepy student and tidalwave with their dozens of alt accounts.
I am with you on this one, especially pertaining internet freedom. what I wanted to point out is the contradiction within the idea of freedom. In the US internet freedom really drove down the quality of its people. But over, there are amazing people that leveraged the OVERALL freedom to achieve incredible heights. for example Ezra Vogel is one I really respect. I recently read his book "China and Japan." I don't know if every history he described is accurate. But I see that as an American, he genuinely wanted to to help China and Japan move past their troubled war era.

I had thought that maybe China can build a political credit system for the internet, in which contribute ideas and vote and discuss others' ideas. people with more credits can see/discuss more sensitive things.
 

SanWenYu

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Interestingly, the chief coach of the Chinese short track speed skating team is a Korean. One of the assistant coaches (技术教练) and a technician (器材师) are also Koreans.

The chief coach 金善台 was also chief coach of the Japanese national team from 2006 to 2010, and the chief coach of the Korean national team from 2014 to 2018. (He led the Korean team in the 2018 Winter Games in PyeongChang, Korea). During the periods of 2004-2006 and 2010-2014, he coached youth and teen Chinese athletes in Changchun, China.

In 2019, he started as an assistant to 王濛 who was the lead coach of the Chinese speed skating and short track speed teams. He then took the position of chief coach of the short track speed skating team in Oct, 2021:
金善台是韩国短道速滑名帅,2004-2006年以及2010-2014年在中国长春执教,主要负责青少年选手的培养;2006-2010年,金善台在日本国家队担任主教练;2014-2018年,金善台担任韩国短道速滑队主教练。
2019年,金善台前来辅佐时任中国速度滑冰和短道速滑国家队教练组组长的王濛,器材师边宇玉也一同前来。2021年10月,金善台出任中国短道速滑队主教练。

The assistant coach 安贤洙 is a legend in short track speed skating. He won 3 gold medals for the Korea team in the 2006 Winter Games in Turin, Italy. 8 years later he won 3 gold medals for the Russian team in the 2014 Winter Games in Sochi, Russia. Yes he is now a Russian citizen also known as Viktor Ahn:
1985年出生的安贤洙是短道速滑传奇运动员,他曾在2006年、2014年两届冬奥会上先后代表韩国、俄罗斯各拿下3枚金牌,共6枚奥运金牌,并为两个国家在该项目上创造了多项纪录。

The speed skating team isn't the only one that has coaches from other countries. Among the Chinese delegates, 51 out of the total 78 coaches are foreigners from 19 countries such as the US, Russia, Korean, etc.:
北京冬奥会,中国代表团参加全部7个大项、15个分项的104个小项,比平昌冬奥会增加了47个小项。从代表团名单看,78名教练员当中,包括来自美国、加拿大、俄罗斯、韩国等19个国家的51名外教,占比达到65%,这是“教练请进来”的成效。

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horse

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As much as I love to see China win, anyone know the rationale behind Hannah Miller's choice to play for China? She has zero Chinese blood and was on the Canada youth U-18 teams that won 2 world championships in 2013/14, and if you look at her stats in the youth tournament (6 points in 10 games), they were on par with current Canadian women's team stars like Emily Clark and Sarah Nurse. Chris Chelios' son playing for China's men's hockey team I can even understand since Chelios doesn't look to be a Hall of Famer like his dad, but Miller could've played for Team Canada, period.

China soft power.
 
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