2022 Olympic Winter Games Beijing

9dashline

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Exactly. Regardless of whether she is genuine or whether she chooses to be american in the future, she is well worth the investment by china. Personally I think she probably did not want to represent China at first (it is a huge and unconventional decision after all), but she was probably convinced by her patriot mom and lots of cash from the chinese government.

How many Chinese all over the world will see her example, look at the racist attacks all over the anglosphere and think, hey maybe China isn't that bad? Maybe China isn't what the media says it is?

It's the same psychological tactic USA used against the soviets. When someone "defects", it means the country the person "defected to" is better. Eileen Gu is a gigantic win for China in that it completely destroys the idea of american exceptionalism, especially for minorities.
As a biology analogy, go on any dating site its like 90% guys only 10% girls. Top 10% percentile of most beautiful women get thousands of messages...

Bottom 80% of guys never even get responded back to, because all the female only want someone in the top 20%

Monogamy and 1 to 1 pairing where each guy ends up with access to a girl is not natural. Only 10% of males are needed to breed with all the females. Historically and anthropically 90% of all men never had access to mate....

Gu is not only smart in terms of book smarts but also she is very beautiful in feminine aesthetic manner that is not typically attributed to the Asian or Chinese sterotype.. So she is a prized woman... a golden girl amongts the gold winners...

We all know in the mating dynamic it is the female who chooses, not the male...

So for someone like Gu (only 18 and thus at the pinnacle of her SMV Sexual Market Value) to defect and choose China is a slap in the face to White Male America

She is worth more than 10 Nathan Chen's
 

victoon

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No, I don't see things that simply. I understand that often, one will and should go overseas to learn and develop. During that time, one will inevitably benefit the country s/he is working in. I believe that sometimes, a person won't make it and will end up doing work in a field that is simply not important to the global competition such as hospitality or real estate, etc... In that case, s/he can simply enjoy life. However, if one does eventually become a talent in a contended area, I feel one should always remember one's roots and return to home to serve with what one has learned. I have no ill will towards the average Chinese American going about their day; the ones that digust me are the ones who have much to offer but offer it to an enemy nation of China. I feel that this person has developed valor but failed to develop honor and I expect a high-achieving person to develop both concurrently.
I am not sure how to carry on this part of the conversation anymore because I feel I can't put myself in your shoes. I just don't feel insulted or burdened because someone Chinese American won gold. I just don't think the gold medal tally has much to do with me at all. I don't feel differently about myself (certainly not my performance) and I don't feel other people treated differently because of Olympic medals.
I cannot do it because I cannot pretend to be someone's friend when I am in disgust. I am a straight forward person and would fail miserably as a spy or counter-intelligence agent. Unfortunately, I feel that the only way to unite China is for China to defeat the US with what it has, and then unite the traitors by force. I don't think there is hope to win them over with kindness and win with them on the team. Have you ever converted someone with your kindness before? Bless you if you have but if not, then perhaps it is simply being kind to the enemy because you shy away from conflict? It wouldn't be rare to have that trait.

In my life, I have converted one Hong Kong girl... by dating her when I didn't know she was anti-CCP and then debating her down with facts, Googling, and reason before she started calling the rioters cockroaches too.

Yes, but in the US, the democrats and republicans at least share the common goal of strengthening America.
I am not pretending anything. I am genuine friends with them. and I have absolutely no desires to "convert" them. Convert would imply I am right. But that's not how I think. I think it's my own responsibility to work hard to find truth and it's other people's responsibility to do the same for themselves. I also think it's important for individuals to exchange views to find out where the difference might be and figure out why. I don't preach to anyone my political views. But I do advocate people consume information from the source rather than second hand, as well as the importance of exposing oneself to a variety of views. All in all, my friends and I value our friendship, agree to disagree with each other's political views, and enjoy each other's company and intellect.

I would point out having Hong Kong and Taiwan under PRC administration (unity of the state) is not the same thing as uniting the people. I don't know how to unite people. But I doubt me calling them traitors or enemy would help. But I want to make it clear that my kindness (or who I would call my people) is limited to political differences (but not political crimes such as attempt to overthrow the CCP) and stops at violence for Hongkong and formal independence and deployment of offensive weapons for Taiwan. I believe my approach is much closer to CCP's official policy and law. and that is why I support the CCP and Xi, because I believe they are fundamentally a moderate political party in today's China.

about US politics, both sides SAY they are making America strong. But instead of compromising to actually make America strong, they are basically my way or the highway. some people are even worried about civil war after decades of foreign wars. so yes, I would be REALLY careful about conflict in China. In this world there may be people that are spineless, or naïve, or dove, or hawk, or jingoistic, or chauvinistic, or rational, or diplomatic, or any other label. I focus on being more self-aware than judging others.
The goal of these traitors is to help the US defeat China. There is a fundamental irreconcilable difference.
I don't know why, but I think you are seeing a lot more enemies/traitors/disgraceful people among the Chinese than I see.
 

Sardaukar20

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The first googling of "Nathan Chen" returns this article.
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In short, Evan Bates spoke on behalf of Nathan Chen that there is abuse on Uyghur on ethnic and religious ground in China, Nathan agrees with it. There is no honest mistake or ignorance here. The accusation is based on a organized smear campaign. Anyone joined in is guilty, a Chinese face does not save his ass.


What about Nathan Chen not joining the smear campaign against China to begin with? If a thieve is caught red handed, don't cry innocent.
Nathan Chen. Well good luck to him. He is gonna find out that backing Evan Bates, an idiot Cold War crusader is not gonna make him an equal American. He will still get all the same amount of hate in the streets of America. No matter how much he conforms to American political correctness, he'll still be at the bottom of the American racial caste system. While the rest of the Chinese community hates him. If he wants that kind of future, then that's his choice.

As for Evan Bates, he should go check out those Indian reservations in USA. See how a genocide actually looks like. He should go check out Gitmo, see how his own country treats Muslims there. Every torture that they accuse the Chinese govt of inflicting onto the Muslim Uyghurs, its all there in Gitmo being done to all types of Muslims. Evan Bates, should go check out Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. See how the USA truly treats Muslims. If he cannot hate the USA just much as China, then he is a racist fool.
 

Equation

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Why do they keep bullying her? Elon Musk sucks up to the CCP a lot more and earned way more Chinese cash than she did, and he isn't even born in the U.S. Shouldn't his loyalty be questioned?
Because Eileen is purdy and Elon is dorky looking. Purdy (Texas slang for pretty) "American" girls are not suppose to side with the "Yellow" peril folks remember? Otherwise their Jesus Christ would be pissed for ruining the judeo-christian empire.
 

victoon

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Nathan Chen. Well good luck to him. He is gonna find out that backing Evan Bates, an idiot Cold War crusader is not gonna make him an equal American. He will still get all the same amount of hate in the streets of America. No matter how much he conforms to American political correctness, he'll still be at the bottom of the American racial caste system. While the rest of the Chinese community hates him. If he wants that kind of future, then that's his choice.

As for Evan Bates, he should go check out those Indian reservations in USA. See how a genocide actually looks like. He should go check out Gitmo, see how his own country treats Muslims there. Every torture that they accuse the Chinese govt of inflicting onto the Muslim Uyghurs, its all there in Gitmo being done to all types of Muslims. Evan Bates, should go check out Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. See how the USA truly treats Muslims. If he cannot hate the USA just much as China, then he is a racist fool.
I know I am in the minority here. But Americans pointing fingers at others while ignoring problems at home is a great geopolitical gift to China. sleepwalking into mediocrity.
 

manqiangrexue

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I am not sure how to carry on this part of the conversation anymore because I feel I can't put myself in your shoes. I just don't feel insulted or burdened because someone Chinese American won gold. I just don't think the gold medal tally has much to do with me at all. I don't feel differently about myself (certainly not my performance) and I don't feel other people treated differently because of Olympic medals.
That's fine; some people invest themselves in politics and other don't care. It's not a bridge to gap. I think it's insulting seeing people like Nathan Chen because all Asians represent each other and to the Americans seeing him, he's representing me, telling Americans that I'm mentally weak enough to be turned on my own kind like a trained dog.
I am not pretending anything. I am genuine friends with them. and I have absolutely no desires to "convert" them. Convert would imply I am right. But that's not how I think. I think it's my own responsibility to work hard to find truth and it's other people's responsibility to do the same for themselves. I also think it's important for individuals to exchange views to find out where the difference might be and figure out why. I don't preach to anyone my political views. But I do advocate people consume information from the source rather than second hand, as well as the importance of exposing oneself to a variety of views. All in all, my friends and I value our friendship, agree to disagree with each other's political views, and enjoy each other's company and intellect.
You don't think that you're right and that China's right? You think that maybe those in the ROC and HK brainwashed by Westerners and turned into rabid mutts against their own blood might have an equal point intellectually and morally? Yeah, maybe you're not political and don't care then. Even though I have friends in countries that are hostile to China, I can respect them as rivals on the battlefield but friends in the tavern. After all, they are like me: hot-blooded men who fight for and honor their nation and their ancestry. But not traitors; those who betray their own blood, who disprespect thier own ancestry, are not human beings to me. And I mean that for every country, not just China. I have no basic respect for people who don't respect themselves no matter where they are from or how they relate to me/China.
I would point out having Hong Kong and Taiwan under PRC administration (unity of the state) is not the same thing as uniting the people. I don't know how to unite people. But I doubt me calling them traitors or enemy would help. But I want to make it clear that my kindness (or who I would call my people) is limited to political differences (but not political crimes such as attempt to overthrow the CCP) and stops at violence for Hongkong and formal independence and deployment of offensive weapons for Taiwan. I believe my approach is much closer to CCP's official policy and law. and that is why I support the CCP and Xi, because I believe they are fundamentally a moderate political party in today's China.
Step one is to bring their territories under the PRC. They will unite when poisonous foreign influences are driven out and they realize that they can either walk with chest out as a proud patriots, or continue scurrying about in the cover of darkness like traitorous roaches until the day they are found and stamped out by patriots. The choice will be easy.
about US politics, both sides SAY they are making America strong. But instead of compromising to actually make America strong, they are basically my way or the highway. some people are even worried about civil war after decades of foreign wars. so yes, I would be REALLY careful about conflict in China. In this world there may be people that are spineless, or naïve, or dove, or hawk, or jingoistic, or chauvinistic, or rational, or diplomatic, or any other label. I focus on being more self-aware than judging others.
This is not conflict in China; this is not rivals tearing China apart like the Dems and Reps. These forces at outside of Mainland China in hostile places. Treating them as a friend when they treat you as an enemy only makes them believe that their resolve is greater than yours. They believe you care about friendship and/or avoiding uncomfortable situations/confrontation more than you care about your nation. They may even extrapolate that a China full of people like that would not make sacrifices or have the resolve to win a bloody war. When they see people like me, I show them that they stand against 1.4 billion spears pointed at their faces, with stone hard unwavering resolve untainted by any speck of softness or sympathy in any of those faces. They can only give up; there is no other way against such a force.
I don't know why, but I think you are seeing a lot more enemies/traitors/disgraceful people among the Chinese than I see.
Probably as you said in the beginning, you resign yourself to not care about things and to let it go while that is not in my traits.
 
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supersnoop

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Recently there was a minor huff about the Team China goalie "not being allowed to speak English" in a press conference.
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Now of course this is being spun by the media as some sort of weird censorship thing, but the total lack of context would indicate something lost in translation... After all, Eileen Gu speaks all the English she wants.

Here's an interesting profile on her
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Apparently she went to Princeton and worked on Wall Street before going to a Women's KHL club.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Gu will be educated in the US, her future mentors from Stanford will be Americans. Her future husband will likely be American white. But she said it best: she’s 100% American while in America. And she can be 100% Chinese when she’s in China. But her thought process and who she is deep down is more ABC than Chinese. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
doesn't matter. she is making money from US corporations like LV, Victorias Secret, Beats by Dre, etc.

but most of all, she had a choice and publically went with China when she didn't really have to. Zhu Yi can be seen as going with China due to ancestry alone. White muricans never thought of Zhu Yi as "theirs" due to her race. Meanwhile in China her dad Zhu Songchun is a bigshot in China and was always going to be somebody, because he graduated early from USTC.

But Eileen is different. White muricans thought of her as 'theirs'. She proved she wasn't. That's why they're raging. It is like how an abusive husband scream at his wife to get the fuck out, leave me alone, stop nagging me all the time, but when she actually leaves he turns violent. It's not that the abuser actually wants his wife to leave, it's that he wants to control her. The same is true for Eileen. The abuse she gets is a form of control.
 

Tyler

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doesn't matter. she is making money from US corporations like LV, Victorias Secret, Beats by Dre, etc.

but most of all, she had a choice and publically went with China when she didn't really have to. Zhu Yi can be seen as going with China due to ancestry alone. White muricans never thought of Zhu Yi as "theirs" due to her race. Meanwhile in China her dad Zhu Songchun is a bigshot in China and was always going to be somebody, because he graduated early from USTC.

But Eileen is different. White muricans thought of her as 'theirs'. She proved she wasn't. That's why they're raging. It is like how an abusive husband scream at his wife to get the fuck out, leave me alone, stop nagging me all the time, but when she actually leaves he turns violent. It's not that the abuser actually wants his wife to leave, it's that he wants to control her. The same is true for Eileen. The abuse she gets is a form of control.
How is LV a US company?
 

victoon

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That's fine; some people invest themselves in politics and other don't care. It's not a bridge to gap. I think it's insulting seeing people like Nathan Chen because all Asians represent each other and to the Americans seeing him, he's representing me, telling Americans that I'm mentally weak enough to be turned on my own kind like a trained dog.
I suspect western media are using Chinese reporters to add credibility to their anti-China views, much like we use westerners to defend. But I don't see Chinese Americans representing their birth country is an issue to me. the Olympics are organized by country, not by race. I Like Xi's 'community of common destiny for mankind' approach. I think globalization, regional integration, exchange of people are good things.
You don't think that you're right and that China's right? You think that maybe those in the ROC and HK brainwashed by Westerners and turned into rabid mutts against their own blood might have an equal point intellectually and morally? Yeah, maybe you're not political and don't care then. Even if I have friends in countries that are hostile to China, I can respect them as rivals on the battlefield but friends in the tavern.
I have confidence in my world view. But I don't act like I am right when I interact with people. I think it's other people's job to figure out the world. also I think people's world views tend to be more durable when they figure it out themselves from my own experience.
But not traitors; those who betray their own blood, who disprespect thier own ancestry, are not human beings to me. And I mean that for every country, not just China. I have no basic respect for people who don't respect themselves.
When you say 'betray their own blood, who disrespect their own ancestry," it's hard for me to understand what you really mean and where your boundary might be. conceptually these are very vague terms. I tend to be very careful with these terms because they can easily include a ton of people very arbitrarily while carry very negative connotation. And it's easy for people to disagree what counts and what doesn't.
Step one is to bring their territories under the PRC. They will unite when poisonous foreign influences are driven out and they realize that they can either walk with chest out as a proud patriot, or continue being a traitorous roach until the day they get stamped out by patriots. The choice will be easy.
The thing is many Taiwanese think they are patriots, of ROC Taiwan. With your vision, it will be two groups of Chinese patriots killing each other, each represent a part of China. We all know who will be laughing. I heard warning from both sides of the strait to not let the US bait the mainland into using force.
This is not conflict in China; this is not rivals tearing China apart like the Dems and Reps. These forces at outside of Mainland China in hostile places. Treating them as a friend when they treat you as an enemy only makes them believe that their resolve is greater than yours. They believe you care about friendship more than you care about your nation. They may even extrapolate that a China full of people like that would not make sacrifices or have the resolve to win a bloody war.
I think Taiwan and mainland are both part of China and Taiwanese are Chinese. That's why I care about them and be kind. Taiwan is part of my nation.
Also, I don't think Taiwanese think there are many mainland netizens share my moderate views. I worry the opposite: they think the mainlanders are all warmongers shouting 武统 all the time.
 
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