2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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Miragedriver

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Just read in the periodical that Russian Defence Minister ,Sergei Shoigu, has called on Crimea's pro-Russian leaders to free the recently captured head of the Ukrainian navy Sergiy Gayduk.

The Russian Defence Minister also said he had "asked the leaders of the Crimean Republic to release the commander-in-chief of Ukraine's naval forces... and not to prevent his departure for Ukraine,".
 

asif iqbal

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Just as well Ferdosiya got that last Zubr Class shipped out the Russian are going to take that base tommorrow

Also some alarming news US satellites have been monitored the Russian military and they are not digging in they are manoeuvring and moving around which means they could now turn thier attention to Eastern Europe
 

Jeff Head

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Just read in the periodical that Russian Defence Minister ,Sergei Shoigu, has called on Crimea's pro-Russian leaders to free the recently captured head of the Ukrainian navy Sergiy Gayduk.

The Russian Defence Minister also said he had "asked the leaders of the Crimean Republic to release the commander-in-chief of Ukraine's naval forces... and not to prevent his departure for Ukraine,".
Interesting.

I read yesterday where the Ukraine leadership demanded the same thing.

Glad to see Russia backing that demand and urging those in the Crimea to do so. Although you would think that Putin and his Defense Minister could easily ensure that this happened. It would have been nice had the release occurred just before, or concurrent with the announcment.

It is a significant escalation that Ukrinian military forces in the Crimea are being besieged, stormed, and reportedly (at least in one instance) killed by the so-called Crimean militia who are dressed in front-line Russian gear and using Russian equipment.

I pray there is no more of that. Those are precisely the types of incidents that will lead to a general conflict.

Those Ukrainian military personnel have been placed in a very, very bad situation. On one hand, they are Ukrainian, sworn to their conuntry and its constitution and they are serving at their duty station. On the other hand you have the Crimean provinsional parliment voting to succeed and join Russia, and ordering them to leave. On another hand you have the larger part of the international community (including Kiev) not recognizing that vote.

So to those soldiers, they are still in the Ukraine on a Ukrainian military base. My guess is that they have very specific ROEs that prevent them from firing their weapons and creating an incident. But does that extend to their being threatend and then subjected to lethal force against them?

Ultimatley the Ukraine is going to have to order them all out of there...either that, or the final two options would be to either watch their bases, one by one will be besieged and ultimately over run...or the Ukraine will try and militarily support them, which would defintely lead to war.

As I said, a very, very difficult situation they are in.
 

asif iqbal

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- A treaty signed between the Russian and Ottoman Empires on April 19, 1783 transferred Crimea from Ottoman to Russian control

- The treaty promised that if Crimea ever became independent or was transferred to a third party, it should fall under the control of the Ottomans once more

- The Turkish government chose not to pursue such a claim in 1991 when Ukraine became independent of the Soviet Union


So now Russia should hand over Crimea to Turkey as per the agreement which was signed in 1783 lol
 

Rutim

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- A treaty signed between the Russian and Ottoman Empires on April 19, 1783 transferred Crimea from Ottoman to Russian control

- The treaty promised that if Crimea ever became independent or was transferred to a third party, it should fall under the control of the Ottomans once more

- The Turkish government chose not to pursue such a claim in 1991 when Ukraine became independent of the Soviet Union


So now Russia should hand over Crimea to Turkey as per the agreement which was signed in 1783 lol
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Erdogan threatened Russia they'll close Bosphorus if anything will happen to Crimean Tatars. Many here praised president Putin for being so fantastic but I bet his balls ends where Turkey starts. A formidable enemy alone, not to even speak if NATO would join. Then only red buttons are there to 'save' Putin's face.
 

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Erdogan threatened Russia they'll close Bosphorus if anything will happen to Crimean Tatars. Many here praised president Putin for being so fantastic but I bet his balls ends where Turkey starts. A formidable enemy alone, not to even speak if NATO would join. Then only red buttons are there to 'save' Putin's face.

This picture was taken yesterday Type 209 SSK from the Turkish navy has been deployed to the Black Sea collecting intelligence and Turkey has the largest conventional submarine force in NATO

If Russia try's anything with Turkey they will be a in a sorry state and Turkey also has red buttons being a NATO member they have had active nuclear warheads deployed inside Turkey for many years and Pakistan will not be far behind its historical friend if Russia try's to push Turkey around we still owe Turkey for much help they have given us Erdogan is a good man

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delft

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Just as well Ferdosiya got that last Zubr Class shipped out the Russian are going to take that base tommorrow

Also some alarming news US satellites have been monitored the Russian military and they are not digging in they are manoeuvring and moving around which means they could now turn thier attention to Eastern Europe
Russia is naturally in favor of industry in the Crimea and would not interfere in the contract between Zubr's builders and PLAN.

As no war likely in the area there is no reason for the Russian military to dig in. Besides the Crimea would be an odd place to start an invasion of Eastern Europe.
The last point: By not starting a war the Russians save themselves a lot of money. And by waiting for the EU to find out it just can't afford to sponsor the bloody regime in Kiev the Russians might be able to help establish a friendly government in Kiev at little cost.
 

delft

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It is a significant escalation that Ukrinian military forces in the Crimea are being besieged, stormed, and reportedly (at least in one instance) killed by the so-called Crimean militia who are dressed in front-line Russian gear and using Russian equipment.

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On another hand you have the larger part of the international community (including Kiev) not recognizing that vote.
Re 1)
I read somewhere that a 17 year old youth from near Lviv was arrested for shooting both the Ukrainian non-commissioned officer and a Crimean militiaman from a not yet completed building.

Re 2)
Are you limiting the international community to the US and their friends? I have heard of no support for the Kiev regime from South America, Africa and most of Asia.
 
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