2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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Piotr said:
Actually it is a HUGE blow to France. It shows that France is unreliable arms exporter. Countries like Brazil, India or Saudi Arabia would think twice before buying anything from France. Do you want to buy weapons from France ? Ask Washington for permision. Do you want to use weapons you've bought from France ? Ask Washington for permision. You are at odds with Washington ? Forget about using weapons you've bought from France. France will remotedly switch them off or even remotedly use them against you (using backdoors as in the case of the attack against Libya).

France is allready untrustworthy:

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This shows that US imposed arms embargo against China is real blessing for China.
But I don't want to continue this here since this will be off topic here.

My point is that China will eventualy build ships like Mistrals, and China will be happy to sell them to Russia. And China is much more reliable than France.


I think most of those advocating joining the so called "European Union" simply wants to leave Ukraine.
Since Poland joined the so called European Union in 2004, more than 2 million people leave Poland. And economic situation in western Ukraine is even worse than in Poland.
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BULL. We have all heard those arguments before, from the Falklands when the French Sold missiles to Argentina and Claims that the French then gave the brits a kills swtich.
First problem for your Argument, Who else do you go to?
Anything bigger then a Destroyer and the number of sellers drops big time. The US won't sell any ship bigger then a destroyer, Russia Can't Build any, The Recent India deal was a exception because she was a rebuild. China has not Sold anything bigger then a destroyer. South Korea No indications of Sale, Japan No indications of Sale, UK no sales, Spain, Italy or France who are all part of the EU and there for have the same basic rule set.
Second Problem, The same risks apply.
If you buy form China, the Chinese will also vet you. IF you buy from Russia and make a move against Russian interests they will do the same thing. Individual nations will make there choices based on there own wants. My bet is this may burn potential mistral India but Poland, Brazil, Turkey, Malaysia, Sweden, South Africa have all shown a interest and now there is a competed Hull looking for buyers.

Eventually is the question. the PLA is busy building it's fleet right now and selling only limited Tonnage. If you want anything bigger then a Destroyer it's on a waiting less of at least a decade.
This hits Russia now. they were looking for those ships in the next five years not the next decade.

This is not a reset issue this is a negotiation issue Both sides have let the hardliners have there plays and play this out. The Obama administration looks like the momentary looser the Ukraine is the long term. and the winners? short term Putin this is going to light the would be Ztar's Torch and give him Cart Blanch, long term Turkey maybe.
wow Left field there TE where did that come from?
Turkey has since the start of the Syrian civil war been more and more destabilized. Under Erdoğan, Turkey has become a major traiding partner to Russia well sitting as a Rouge Nato state. now The Anti'Russia Partys are going to try and re-Sharpen the dull NATO sword and will give Erdoğan just about any thing he wants, Russia in responce will counter bid with a the offers it can make to pull Turkey into the Shanghai CoProsperity... Pardon Shanghi Cooperative Organization and Putin's Dream Eurasian Union.
 
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Piotr said:
Actually it is a HUGE blow to France. It shows that France is unreliable arms exporter.
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I doubt anyone thought about France or GB as 'reliable' when it comes to anything that isn't in their own urgent business. Those two + Israel sold and betrayed many throught the years so that's nothing special.
 
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Ukrainian TV boss assaulted and forced to resign by far-right Svoboda MPs

19/03 08:18 CET



The head of Ukraine’s state TV company has been attacked by at least three MPs from the far-right Svoboda party and forced to resign.

Members of Svoboda barged their way into the offices of Aleksandr Panteleymonov, the acting president of the National Television Company of Ukraine on Tuesday night.

They were angry that public broadcaster, First National Channel, had broadcast the Russian Parliament signing a treaty with Crimea on Tuesday.

Yelling and beating Panteleymonov around the head, the men accused him of serving Putin, while there were Ukrainians “dying at the hands of Russian occupiers” and called him “Moscow trash.”

They then forced him to sign a letter of resignation.

Ironically, one of the men involved in the assault was the deputy head of Ukraine’s committee on freedom of speech.

Members of the Svoboda party filmed the attack and then posted it online.

Ukraine’s prime minister has condemned the incident calling it “unacceptable for a democratic society.”

National Television Company (NTU) is state-run and operates Ukraine’s largest public broadcaster, First National Channel.

During the Maidan anti-government protests, Panteleymonov, who ran First National Channel, was seen by many Ukrainians as pro-Yanukovych and biased in his coverage.

The Svoboda party currently has around 40 members of parliament.

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Mr T

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Piotr said:
Actually it is a HUGE blow to France. It shows that France is unreliable arms exporter. Countries like Brazil, India or Saudi Arabia would think twice before buying anything from France.
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I don't think Brazil, India or Saudi Arabia are planning on annexing part of their neighbours, so I don't think they'd be concerned if France didn't go ahead with the sale.

solarz said:
Countries that want good relations don't impose sanctions on each other, mild or not.
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I disagree. You can show disapproval of another country's actions by imposing sanctions, but that doesn't mean you don't want good relations in the future. Only a narrow-minded country would throw a tantrum because it was given the lightest of slaps on the wrist.
 
MwRYum

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shen said:
The last time the USA supported some unsavory people to get back at the Russians, they created Al Qaeda. History may just repeat itself.
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All you need to look at Libya and Syria, and perhaps Chile half a century back, then you'd say "will" instead of "may"...
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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History always repeats it self especially when you forget to learn it. Whether or not these Ultra right are real or just the product of Russian propaganda matters little and does little to justify anything. Or make them a threat.
what has happened is a President has been reissued. And the clock has been set back to the 1800's as the rule of the gun and true imperialism has just come back into fashion. Russia has been issued a invade where ever you want and get away with it card.

The Crimea issue and the Ukrainian dispute has ramifications which are not limited to eastern Europe, and will cause issues in any territorial dispute including potentially those of China. That is why the PRC abstained in the security council vote. Because although Beijing wanted to back Moscow they knew actively doing so would have ramifications in the three troubled provinces.

The nations of Eastern Europe particularly nations that once flew the banner of the USSR, have a fire lit under there proverbial asses to either make a peace with Putin... And potentially have him scrap it at his first opportunity or forge a NATO membership, a unlikely event. Or forge there own alliance of some kind.

as to the remains of the Ukraine they have to forge a new government, and realize that Jaw Jaw is the only defense they have.

for the US once again ineptitude and inspired incompetent as the Obama administration has gone out of its way to burn bridges with Russia and display just how much of a .......... He really is. He displayed Americans power to protect Libyan oil interests but did not bother to do more then sigh at Russian aggression.
Aggressive behavior has just been legalized.

and the ramifications to Latin America are already brewing in Venezuela.
 
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Sevastopol (Undefined) (AFP) - Ukrainian servicemen filed out of navy headquarters in Sevastopol on Wednesday with tears in their eyes after the base was seized by pro-Moscow militants, Russian troops and Cossack forces.

Ukrainian sailors were seen leaving their barracks without their weapons and taking a few belongings with them as uniformed Russian soldiers with rifles patrolled the gate.

"We have been temporarily disbanded and everyone now has to make a choice" -- serve the new pro-Moscow government of Crimea or leave the peninsula altogether, one sailor, Vlad, told AFP as he walked away in his military uniform with lieutenant chevrons.

"I was born here and I grew up here and I have been serving for 20 years. Where am I going to go?" said Vlad, one of an estimated 22,000 Ukrainian military personnel stranded in Crimea as it transitions to Russian rule.

"These are Russian soldiers, most likely special forces. I have been serving a long time, I know what Russian special forces look like," he said of the troops now controlling the headquarters.

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"We cannot use guns here. We don't need a conflict," he said, despite orders from the Kiev government that soldiers in Crimea can use their weapons for "self-defence".

Asked whether he is quitting the Ukrainian army, he said no.

"I'm leaving for a while... while time passes and while our superiors make a decision."

Women were waiting for the officers outside, loading the hastily stuffed plastic bags into cars.

A few soldiers were seen gingerly carrying out their parade naval coats.

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"We will come back for the rest tomorrow if they allow us," one said.

A pro-Russian crowd with Russian flags outside the headquarters clapped when two dozen pro-Russian militia marched out of the premises and formed a a line before a commander who thanked them to the cries of "Hurray!".

- 'I am not a partisan' -

The Ukrainian servicemen looked on warily. "Some of them believe in what they are doing, some are FSB (Russian Federal Security Service), and some are just looting," sighed one man named Sergiy who said he had worked at the headquarters.

He denied Ukrainians were surrendering or switching sides, but said they felt betrayed.

"Those serving in Crimea have been betrayed by the admiral, the commanders in Kiev. We will wait for what they decide now. If the (new pro-Russian authorities) tell me to leave Crimea, I will leave. I am not a partisan," he said.

"The vote was a farce," he said of the Sunday referendum on the peninsula which overwhelmingly supported joining up with Russia.

No shots were fired by either side and the militants said they had captured the head of the Ukrainian navy, Sergiy Gayduk -- a report later confirmed by Ukraine's defence ministry.

"The military base is now under control. There was no use of guns," said Igor Yeskin, a representative of the pro-Moscow militants, referred to in Crimea as the "self-defence forces".

He said the aim was to overtake all Ukrainian military outposts without bloodshed. The servicemen had been told that if they resigned "they could stay in Sevastopol or they can leave the territory of Crimea".

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If they stay in the military and want to stay "they can serve the people of Crimea or in the future they can join the Russian army," he said.

Yeskin gave few details about Gayduk's capture but said: "He was blocked and he had nowhere to go. He was forced out and he has been taken away."

Gayduk was only appointed this month after his predecessor, Rear Admiral Denis Berezovsky, deserted his post and pledged allegiance to the new pro-Moscow authorities in Crimea.

Asked why and where Gayduk had been taken, Yeskin said it had been in order "to have another conversation" with him.

"The authorities are dealing with this," he said.
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Looks like Russia had achieved what they came for in the first place, Sevastopol base is now completely under their control.
 
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Al Qaeda & their aligned Extremists Groups are serious problems not only to the US but also to Russia, China, some S.E. Asian, African & M.E. countries. It was 911 that started the problem remember? Al Qaeda and their allies were subsequently behind the devious plots & various attacks i.e. London underground bombing, Russian Cheknya school hostage crisis (Putin put down the revolt by the Islamic Extremists), also the recent Uigher terrorists stabbings at Kunming, China etc. It's NOT that the US supported unsavoury people to get back on Russia. How one looks at the Ukrainian dilemma depends on the analyst knowledge of history, which can be twisted to suit its objective and agenda.



shen said:
The last time the USA supported some unsavory people to get back at the Russians, they created Al Qaeda. History may just repeat itself.
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