2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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thunderchief

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We still have to see what is happening and if there even is a drone. the listed unit sound highly Dubious.
Here We go 66th Military Intelligence Brigade.
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Well, if there is some truth in the story, pictures of the drone will emerge soon to smack down Pentagon's credibility ;)


Every time I begin to see logical patterns in world events, I get surprised by new developments. Even though Gerhard Schroeder is a socialist, it’s still surprising to hear him say this and cut off Angela Merkel negotiating position.


Instead of protecting Germany's interests, Angela Merkel is towing America's line . Germany had nothing to gain from ousting Yanukovych. Germany needs cheap gas from Russia (and some other raw materials) ,so previous balance of power (Ukraine neither completely pro-Russian,neither completely pro-EU) was perfect from them. If the current crisis deepens, they would have to buy energy from other sources (at higher price of course :p ) and they would loose significant market for their industrial products in Russia. On top of that, they would have to provide aid to Ukraine, although their own economy is still struggling.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Yes if, Thunder but this far Notta. In fact other then Business insider aka the David Axe brigade none of the American news cycles have included the story. The unit name and the real unit name means might have been a miss translation, the type of drone is used by them but why no photos. I mean that's a instant propaganda coup. When Powers was shot down Krustchov, took everything from the bird and had it placed on display he had people from all over Russia looking at it like Lennon or Stalin laying in state. He did everything he could to use it. When the Iranians got the admittedly more advanced RQ170 they just about opened a theme park. DRONELAND! Yet where is Putin to inspect the drone? Where are the photos that should have been in the release? Don't tell me it takes that long in this day and age to send a few snap shots of the downed drone from The Ukraine to Moscow. What did they send it snail mail? Seriously?
sorry but until photos from the crash site I call Propaganda meant to try and show a American actor.
Right now Putin is running the presses none stop with justification for his coming war, and all of Russia's little buddies are in on it to. Venezuela is proclaiming themselves the victim of Ukranian-ation. The BBC ran a interview with the head of Venezuela's Tourism board denouncing anyone who stands against the revolution and proclaiming them the puppets of the American dogs.
 
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SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine (AP) — Russian forces backed by helicopter gunships and armored vehicles Saturday took control of a village near the border with Crimea on the eve of a referendum on whether the region should seek annexation by Moscow, Ukrainian officials said.

In a statement, the Foreign Ministry denounced the foray outside Crimea, and said Ukraine "reserves the right to use all necessary measures to stop the military invasion by Russia."

The village is on a long spit reaching northward from the main part of the Black Sea peninsula, about 10 kilometers (six miles) north of the border between Crimea and the Kherson region.

A spokesman for the Ukrainian border guard service, Oleg Slobodyan, told The Associated Press the Russians, about 120 in all, took control of a natural gas distribution station in the village. The Foreign Ministry said the force consisted of about 80 and didn't mention the station, but said the village was seized.

As Crimea prepares for Sunday's referendum, dozens of billboards throughout the regional capital proclaim "Together With Russia." But a few have been hit by spray-painters who scrawled out "Russia" and replaced it with "Ukraine."

The referendum is denounced by Kiev and the West as illegitimate ; the West is threatening costly sanctions against Russia if it moves to incorporate Crimea. But the result is seen as a foregone conclusion — Crimea is almost certain to vote to split off, further aggravating Ukraine's political crisis and one of the harshest East-West confrontations since the end of the Cold war.

At the United Nations, Russia vetoed a Security Council resolution declaring the referendum illegal, and close ally China abstained in a sign of Moscow's isolation on the issue. Supporters of the U.S.-sponsored resolution knew that Russia would use its veto. But they put the resolution to a vote Saturday morning to show the strength of opposition in the 15-member Security Council to Moscow's takeover of Crimea. The final vote was 13 members in favor, China's abstention, and Russia as a permanent council member casting a veto.

Supporters say the region rightfully belongs to Russia and that the government that replaced fugitive President Viktor Yanukovych is a coterie of fascist-minded nationalists who will abuse Crimea's majority ethnic-Russian population. Opponents bristle at Russia's heavy hand; Crimea effectively is already under Russian control after forces were sent in last month.

Tensions are also high elsewhere in Ukraine. On Friday night, two people were killed and several wounded in a shootout that erupted after a clash in the city of Kharkiv between pro-Russian demonstrators and their opponents.

In downtown Simferopol, at least 1,000 people on Saturday jammed a square in front of a soundstage and two massive TV screens as a long succession of Russian musical acts lauding "friendship of nations" and Russia itself. Musical acts from distant regions of Russia sang folk songs and danced traditional dance. One ensemble dressed as fairy-tale characters sang "Don't Fall Out Of Love with Russia!" No Ukrainian flags or colors were visible.

"We have our great mother, Russia, who has taken us in her arms," said 40-year-old demonstrator Nikolai Antonov. "If Russia hadn't protected us, we would have had to take up arms" against the new authorities in Kiev.

Posters pasted to walls throughout the city center made comparisons between Russia and Ukraine for gasoline prices, doctors' salaries and student benefits. The comparisons all suggested Russia was a more prosperous country.

But referendum opponents at a smaller rally said the economic argument is foolish.

"I'm a citizen of Ukraine. I don't want to be a citizen of another country, or of Russia. It's well known what it's like to live in Russia. There's absolutely no civil society whatsoever. You can't say what you want. People can't gather for demonstration unless it's good for the government," said Andrei Voloshin, a 20-year-old law student.

Details of the Friday night shooting in the city of Kharkiv were murky, but local news reports said it broke out after a skirmish between pro-Russia demonstrators and their opponents.

Violence has escalated in Ukraine's Russia-leaning east in recent days, as pro-Russia demonstrators have seized government buildings and clashed with supporters of the new Kiev government. At least one person died and 17 were wounded in clashes in the city of Donetsk on Thursday.

Kharkiv, near the Russian border, is a hotbed of pro-Russia sentiment and opposition to the acting Ukrainian government that took power last month after Yanukovych fled the country in the wake of months of protests.

After the skirmish, according to the reports, there was gunfire outside a building housing the offices of several nationalist groups including Right Sector, which was one of the drivers of the protests against Yanukovych and that vehemently opposes Russian influence in Ukraine.

Russia has denounced Right Sector and similar groups as "fascists" who allegedly want to oppress ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

A spokesman for Right Sector in eastern Ukraine, Igor Moseichuk, was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying the shooting was a "planned provocation by pro-Russian forces."

Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said on his Facebook page that two people were killed and several wounded, including a policeman who was seriously injured. He said some 30 people "from both sides" had been detained.

The victims' identities were not immediately made public. Moseichuk was quoted as saying the two killed were not among those inside the Right Sector offices.

The violence in Kharkiv and Donetsk has raised concern that Russia, which has massed troops near eastern Ukraine's border, could use bloodshed as a justification for sending in forces to protect the ethnic Russian population.

Ukraine's acting president, Oleksandr Turchynov, warned Saturday that "there's a real danger of the threat of invasion of the territory of Ukraine."

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Friday, after meeting with US Secretary of State John Kerry, said Russia has no plans to send troops into eastern Ukraine.

Okay this story is confusing me. Are they (Russians) or are they NOT moving "outside" of Crimea border?:confused:
 

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One story two very different takes.

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The West are trying to make out that the failure of China to Veto this resolution is evidence of some Sino-Russian split. If so and if this was the aim of the vote, it was as sad an effort as it was a waste of time and tax payers money.

The fact is that a Resolution was proposed and that neither China or Russia supported it! It was not a Russian Resolution so the Chinese method on not supporting it, has no impact on the position of Sino-Russian relations whatsoever.

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Okay this story is confusing me. Are they (Russians) or are they NOT moving "outside" of Crimea border?:confused:
Well, apparently the Russian troops (which Russia is calling Crimea Militia) moved north from the Crimea border by several kilometers and occupied a village within another Province of Ukraine on the peninsula that connects the Crimea with the rest of the Ukraine, and also now control the gas pumping stations there.

Such a position at the head of the narrow peninsula would be done as a military, tactical move, for the defense fo the Crimea against land attack..

But, yes, it is a force operating outside of the Crimea.

One of the arguments that the US and others are using is that is blatantly violating international law to use military force to split away a portion of another country despite its internationally recognized boundaries, just because you say that you do not like what may be going on there. And then, in the presence of your military forces, for that region to vote to join you. This is a valid argument.

However, the problem the US and Europe and others have is that, against the advise, opinion, and opposition of many in their own countries (myself being one of them), and against Russia's loud protests at the time, this is exactly what the west did in Kosovo when it was singled out and split away from Serbia...using tremendous force in the form of relentless air attacks against the rest of Serbia to make it happen.

Putin threw that back into the west's face in Georgia, and he is throwing it back in the face of the west now.

Now, on the other side of that, you read the things Putin said at that time...how such acts were flagrant violations, were aginnst the UN charter, and should be condemned at the UN (only to be vetoed by western members of the security council) and what he said then is exactly what the other nations are saying now about Crimea.

But, as with Kosovo, at least militarily, there was little Russia could do about Kosovo at the time, and the West went ahead and implemented exactly what it wanted...so now Russia is doing the same in the Crimea.

We have an old saying: "What goes around...comes around."

The difference is, that with Kosovo there was little Russia could do about it militarily or economically. But now, with the Crimea, if Europe is willing to take a "return" economic hit from Russia in making it happen, there are definite things the west can do economically here to punish Putin and Russia pretty severely. I am just not sure at all the European are willing to take that hit over Crimea alone.

If it spreads beyond the Crimea...I believe they will.
 

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Its interesting Jeff that despite 30 years and precise nature of the weapons changing, the underlying argument regarding there use remains the same!

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Well, apparently the Russian troops (which Russia is calling Crimea Militia) moved north from the Crimea border by several kilometers and occupied a village within another Province of Ukraine on the peninsula that connects the Crimea with the rest of the Ukraine, and also now control the gas pumping stations there.

Such a position at the head of the narrow peninsula would be done as a military, tactical move, for the defense fo the Crimea against land attack..

But, yes, it is a force operating outside of the Crimea.

One of the arguments that the US and others are using is that is blatantly violating international law to use military force to split away a portion of another country despite its internationally recognized boundaries, just because you say that you do not like what may be going on there. And then, in the presence of your military forces, for that region to vote to join you. This is a valid argument.

However, the problem the US and Europe and others have is that, against the advise, opinion, and opposition of many in their own countries (myself being one of them), and against Russia's loud protests at the time, this is exactly what the west did in Kosovo when it was singled out and split away from Serbia...using tremendous force in the form of relentless air attacks against the rest of Serbia to make it happen.

Putin threw that back into the west's face in Georgia, and he is throwing it back in the face of the west now.

Now, on the other side of that, you read the things Putin said at that time...how such acts were flagrant violations, were aginnst the UN charter, and should be condemned at the UN (only to be vetoed by western members of the security council) and what he said then is exactly what the other nations are saying now about Crimea.

But, as with Kosovo, at least militarily, there was little Russia could do about Kosovo at the time, and the West went ahead and implemented exactly what it wanted...so now Russia is doing the same in the Crimea.

We have an old saying: "What goes around...comes around."

The difference is, that with Kosovo there was little Russia could do about it militarily or economically. But now, with the Crimea, if Europe is willing to take a "return" economic hit from Russia in making it happen, there are definite things the west can do economically here to punish Putin and Russia pretty severely. I am just not sure at all the European are willing to take that hit over Crimea alone.

If it spreads beyond the Crimea...I believe they will.
If Germany should support US sanctions against Russia the answer might be closure of the North Steam pipeline and a reduction in orders for the German industry. It's not going to happen.
And for the Russians it will be enough to just watch while the EU tries to pay to keep Ukraine solvent and its kleptocrats happy. Invasion will not be necessary. They might well delay accepting the Crimea until after the May elections. You don't think that the current regime in Kiev will be able to win free and fair elections, do you?
 

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If Germany should support US sanctions against Russia the answer might be closure of the North Steam pipeline and a reduction in orders for the German industry. It's not going to happen.
And for the Russians it will be enough to just watch while the EU tries to pay to keep Ukraine solvent and its kleptocrats happy. Invasion will not be necessary. They might well delay accepting the Crimea until after the May elections. You don't think that the current regime in Kiev will be able to win free and fair elections, do you?

Well, apparently Putin believes they will win those free and fair elections or he would not have gone to the expense to "intimidate" the Ukraine and divide the Crimea away from the Ukraine, so yes I do believe that the Ukrainians have no desire to re-enter the Soviet Union. Putin's invasion of the Crimea and taking the PR hit, have been to "intimidate" and muscle the situation to Russia's advantage. I believe the Ukrainians have no allusions about Putin's intentions, nor should you.
 
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