2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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thunderchief

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Bunch of brave Ukrainian patriots in my opinion.

Actually, pretty much embarrassing if these guys are real soldiers and this is not some lame photo-op. I mean, if you really believe that Crimea belongs to Ukraine and that Russians are invaders, your duty as a solider would be to resist with weapons not to march around waving flags . And what is with that Soviet banner , one guy is saying "would you shoot at Soviet Guards banner" , other is yelling "America is with us " :confused:

IMHO, if these guys are really members of Ukrainian armed forces, they are more interested in getting back to their jobs so they could continue to receive salary then to any political cause .
 

Rutim

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Actually, pretty much embarrassing if these guys are real soldiers and this is not some lame photo-op.
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Your duty as a soldier is to fight against soldiers not a bunch of disguised Spetsnaz guys without distinctions. I would love to see you whith bullets whistling above your head... They did what is right for them and for their country.
 

Air Force Brat

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Your duty as a soldier is to fight against soldiers not a bunch of disguised Spetsnaz guys without distinctions. I would love to see you whith bullets whistling above your head... They did what is right for them and for their country.

Yes, they've showed some "pluck", wiling to waltz in there unarmed, the Russians are poorly trained, the two with weapons at the ready have their fingers on the trigger, instead of outside the guard, they will have some ADs in that group, but whats priceless is the Russians reaction to a courageous, unarmed opposition, "their mouths seem to be hanging open", with the exception of taller gent, he keeps it together. Also the pilot who is holding the little confab shows a little true leadership.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Brat, for you or me the trigger and finger never touch unless someone is going home in a body bag. But for the Russians, they have a different mentality about triggers. They just can't leave them alone. Its like a joke about rednecks and their hot cousins, that finger just keeps on going their and everyone knows it ain't right.
every picture of Russian troops and individuals with a weapon always has the trigger being fingered. Even pictures of Putin. There manual of arms is different I guess.
 

jobjed

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Your duty as a soldier is to fight against soldiers not a bunch of disguised Spetsnaz guys without distinctions. I would love to see you whith bullets whistling above your head... They did what is right for them and for their country.

I'm certainly not going to take away from their individual bravery. However, the fact that their bravery needed to be expressed in such a form is testimony to the sorry state of Ukraine as a whole. 300 Ukrainian soldiers needed to walk unarmed up to half a dozen foreign invaders who fired their weapons with impunity ON Ukrainian soil. It is the perfect example of the idiom; 落后就要挨打, or become weak and will inevitably get ass whooped.
 

SampanViking

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I'm certainly not going to take away from their individual bravery. However, the fact that their bravery needed to be expressed in such a form is testimony to the sorry state of Ukraine as a whole. 300 Ukrainian soldiers needed to walk unarmed up to half a dozen foreign invaders who fired their weapons with impunity ON Ukrainian soil. It is the perfect example of the idiom; 落后就要挨打, or become weak and will inevitably get ass whooped.

One does wonder how they would have reacted had the Crimean Police approached and placed them under arrest.

Overall though the sense of the this whole mission being a botched private mission launched by Nuland & Co grows by the day. The original Orange Revolution had polish and finesse. The Maidan; although having all the same basic ingredients, feels rushed, hastily prepared and poorly thought through, plus of course reliant on some very unsavoury characters, which is why is probably degenerated so fully into violence.

I think Ms Nuland and chums wanted to do get back at Putin for his scuttling of cherished plans for Syria and Iran. I seriously doubt that the White House authorised any of this, which is why Obama's reaction has been luke warm at best.

Ironically, like all half baked plans, it has backfired and produced the very thing that its planners were looking to avoid.
 

Lezt

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I'm certainly not going to take away from their individual bravery. However, the fact that their bravery needed to be expressed in such a form is testimony to the sorry state of Ukraine as a whole. 300 Ukrainian soldiers needed to walk unarmed up to half a dozen foreign invaders who fired their weapons with impunity ON Ukrainian soil. It is the perfect example of the idiom; 落后就要挨打, or become weak and will inevitably get ass whooped.

I don't read it this way, the 300 soldiers did a patriotic thing, if they get killed, the world will stand up against Russia. Russia have no excuse to claim that unarmed Ukraine servicemen threatened them and they have to return fire and escalate the situation.

These men are brave, martyr material. I bet there is some genius pulling the strings behind this move.
 

Rutim

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Ironically, like all half baked plans, it has backfired and produced the very thing that its planners were looking to avoid.
It somewhat backfired at Putin. Orange Revolution ended just like Russia planned - Ukraine still under control from Moscow.

Maidan was unexpected and it happened more because people were fed up with pro-Russian corrupt government. It was quick and Putin (or I should write - his henchman Yanukovych) couldn't control that. They miscalculated it somewhere perhaps. Plans for Crimea were there on the table for years I assume.

Here's one big difference why you shouldn't treat Russia as a 'normal and big' country and why it's even worse than USSR was: in normal country you have got all of intelligence agencies working for the country, in Russia they rule the country.

That's harsh view but it is what it is.
 

Piotr

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Here is interesting opinion about what is realy going on in Maidan:
The US is making historic power moves of aggression in simultaneously waging three multifaceted campaigns. It is targeting Russia, Iran, and China through destabilization in Ukraine, Syria, and the South and East China Seas. The end result is to neutralize the primary powers that are resistant and defiant (R&D) to the "universal" Western political, economic, and social models. On the centennial anniversary of World War I, the world is once more faced with the threat of a "Great War" by miscalculation.

Each targeted theater has specific American actions and objectives:

Ukraine Actions:

The US funded and managed the violent overthrow of the legitimate government, installing a fascist one in its place that supports anti-minority legislation that discriminates against Russian speakers and dual citizens, as well as allowing violent actions to go unpunished. The Western-supported government has provoked Russia and destabilized the East, South, and Crimea, and by appealing to NATO for assistance against Russia, it presents a strong threat for Moscow. It is also antagonistic towards the Sevastopol naval base.

Ukraine Objectives:

The US wants to sow chaos on Russia's Western border and divide the fraternal nations of Ukraine and Russia. Speaking about the Russian-led Eurasian Union economic project, Hillary Clinton in December 2012 said that "We know what the goal is and we are trying to figure out effective ways to slow down or prevent it." Apparently, illegal coups and nationalist violence are the "effective ways" of choice for the US, known for its "democracy" and "humanitarian intervention" history, to "slow down or prevent" economic integration between Russia and Ukraine.

Installing an anti-Russian government is the easiest method to achieve this. The experience of the anti-Russian Orange Government in Ukraine after the 2004 Color Revolution proves this strategy's worth. The then-government rapidly worked to move Ukraine into NATO, despite the majority of its population being against this dangerous step. It also stole gas from Russian pipelines and refused to pay the new prices, which in turn resulted in the Russian government turning off the supplies. Ukraine essentially held the rest of Europe hostage in 2006 to tarnish Russia's business and political reputation. This in turn scared Europe and pushed it to unsuccessfully look for alternative pipeline routes.

Control of the Russian pipeline nexus in Western Ukraine is also important because South Stream, Russia's underwater gas pipeline to Europe via the Black Sea and the Balkans, is not yet operational. If an anti-Russian government is once more imposed in Ukraine, it can repeat the 2006 energy crisis. Sustained cuts in energy would harm the Russian national budget and hurt European industry. It would negatively affect the EU just as much as it would Russia.

Another goal is to remove the Russian fleet from Crimea and make the Black Sea a "NATO lake." NATO has been puzzlingly expanding since the end of the Cold War, even though it gave political assurances not to do so in 1990. The end goal is to push NATO as close to Russia’s borders as possible so that the US may apply more pressure and bully the country into following its leadership. America also wants to strategically place its anti-missile defense units, including ships, into positions where they can shoot down Russian missiles and give NATO the tactical advantage of a nuclear first strike. If the US succeeds in this threatening goal, then the stabilizing concept of mutually assured destruction would be a thing of the past, and the US would be free to launch nuclear war whenever it wants without any military consequences.

Syria Actions:

Washington has funded, trained, and materially supported violent insurgents in the country, some of whom now engage in terrorism. The US has provided nearly $1 billion in aid, weapons (including anti-aircraft ones that could be potentially used against civilian airlines), and CIA training to the militant insurgents fighting against the Syrian government. These insurgents sometimes resort to perverse and terrorist tactics such as burning people alive in ovens, eating human hearts, taking civilians hostage and executing them, and suicide bombings, among other despicable crimes.

This has created the categories of "good" and "bad" terrorists for the West. The "good terrorists" are those fighting against anti-Western governments and advancing American foreign policy, but the "bad terrorists" are those plotting attacks against the US and the West. Syrian President Assad insists that there is no distinction between "good" and "bad" terrorists, and that terrorism is simply terrorism regardless of the motives behind it. However ironic it may be, it seems that for the US, politics trumps principles when it comes to terrorism.

The US sought to wage war against Syria in September over the chemical weapons attack that the opposition carried out (falsely saying it was the government attacking civilians) but was stopped by Russian diplomatic efforts. 91 percent of Americans at the time were against war in Syria. Regardless, through supporting the militant insurgents, the US and its partners have ruined the country and brought about untold destruction.

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thunderchief

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Your duty as a soldier is to fight against soldiers not a bunch of disguised Spetsnaz guys without distinctions. I would love to see you whith bullets whistling above your head... They did what is right for them and for their country.

Bullets were whizzing above my head,and more then bullets ;) If you want to be a solider then your duty is to fight against enemy, no matter what kind of uniform (or no uniform at all) they have. If you want to protest peacefully that is fine by me, but don't pretend to be a solider .

In reality, most of the Ukrainian troops on peninsula understand that they are those who are not welcomed there, not Russians. Also, they don't want to risk loss of life or limb for shady characters in current Kiev government . So, lot of them simply abandoned their posts and some switched sides . Even those protesting are carrying Soviet banners - they probably long for good old days of USSR , with better pay and more respect in society .
 
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