2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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I just came back from work and the second headline on Czech servers I saw was something like "Kerry comes to Kiev with $1b" :) I think the background is here:
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The first headline was about the first (a couple of warning) shots fired ... after a bunch of unarmed Ukrainian soldiers tried to walk back to their base (?) while singing (an anthem, I guess), common (video here:
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Franklin

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My interpretation of the term "broadly coinciding points of view" from Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov is that China views the current crisis in the Ukraine as the result of Western interference of Ukrainian internal affairs (think Victoria Nuland phone call). But i also believe that China would have expressed their "concern" over Russian actions in the Crimea. That's why they are not in full agreement about what is happening in the Crimea but only have "broadly coinciding points of views". Its something of a Russian spin on China's statement. China too is opposed to Russian actions in the Crimea but is more "polite" about it then the Western leaders are. And shows some understanding for Russia's position.

And China needs to save her throat for shouting about US military intervention in Syria that is to come later this year.

Russia And China 'In Agreement' Over Ukraine

Russia has said China is largely "in agreement" over Ukraine, after other world powers condemned Moscow for sending troops into the country.

Hundreds of Russian soldiers have surrounded a military base in Crimea, preventing Ukrainian soldiers from going in or out.

The convoy blockading the site, near the Crimean capital Simferopol, includes at least 17 military vehicles.

Russian troops are also reported to have taken control of a ferry terminal in the city of Kerch on the eastern tip of Crimea, which has a majority Russian-speaking population.

Ukraine's defence ministry said two Russian fighter jets violated the country's air space in the Black Sea on Sunday night and that it had scrambled an interceptor aircraft to prevent the "provocative actions".

And reports claimed pro-Russian protesters had occupied a floor of the regional government building in Donetsk. The 11-storey building has been flying the Russian flag for the last three days.

Ukrainian prime minister Arseny Yatseniuk has insisted his country "will never give up Crimea to anyone" and urged Russian forces to withdraw.

Mr Yatseniuk said: "I was and am a supporter of a diplomatic solution to the crisis, as a conflict would destroy the foundations for stability in the whole region."

In an interview with Sky News, Foreign Secretary William Hague said the crisis is likely to take some time to resolve.

He said: "I think we probably are looking at a long period of very active diplomacy and looking for solutions to this since there is no sign of a change in the Russian position on this.

"It's impossible to be optimistic at the moment. We're not in any position to be optimistic about the security situation and what is happening in the Crimea."

The crisis has had a huge knock-on effect on global stock markets, with Moscow's stock exchange plunging as much as 10% on Monday morning .

Russia's central bank raised its rate to 7% from 5.5% as the ruble hit an historic low against the dollar and the euro.

Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov discussed Ukraine by telephone with his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, on Monday, and claimed they had "broadly coinciding points of view" on the situation there, according to a ministry statement.

Speaking at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva later, Mr Lavrov said Russian troops were necessary in Ukraine "until the normalisation of the political situation" and dismissed threats of sanctions and boycotts.

He added: "We call for a responsible approach, to put aside geopolitical calculations, and above all to put the interests of the Ukrainian people first."

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said: "China has always upheld the principles of diplomacy and the fundamental norms of international relations.

Rumours of President Viktor Yanukovych's sprawling 350-acre estate had circulated in Ukraine for years, but it was not until now ordinary citizens could glimpse inside. While the eastern European country's economy struggled, Yanukovych lived in the lap of luxury with gilded furniture, vintage cars and sweeping staircases.

Since the President fled Kiev last week the building has been abandoned to hundreds of Ukrainians who have explored the opulent grounds and house. But instead of ransacking the house, anti-government protesters have calmly taken pictures and fed Yanukovych's collection of exotic birds.

As the tense stand-off continues, the other seven nations of the G8 urged Moscow to hold talks with Kiev.

"We, the leaders of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States and the President of the European Council and President of the European Commission, join together today to condemn the Russian Federation's clear violation of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine," they said in a statement.

"We have decided for the time being to suspend our participation in activities associated with the preparation of the scheduled G8 Summit in Sochi in June."

British Foreign Secretary William Hague, who is in Kiev for talks on the crisis , said Russia has taken operational control of Crimea.

He described Russia's intervention in Ukraine as the biggest crisis in Europe in the 21st century.

At a news conference with Mr Yatseniuk, Mr Hague said: "If this situation cannot resolve itself, if Russia cannot be persuaded to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, there will have to be other consequences and other costs."

Mr Hague added: "The UK is not discussion military action, our concentration is on diplomatic and economic pressure."

Prime Minister David Cameron will later chair a meeting of the National Security Council on the "British and international response to the grave situation in Ukraine", where he will press for a European summit on the crisis.

European foreign ministers are holding an emergency meeting on Ukraine in Brussels to table a joint response to the military incursion.

Mr Yatseniuk heads a pro-Western government that took power in the former Soviet republic when its Moscow-backed president, Viktor Yanukovych, was ousted last week.

US Secretary of State John Kerry will visit Kiev on Tuesday to show "strong support for Ukrainian sovereignty".

Meanwhile, Ukraine launched a treason case against its new navy chief after he switched allegiance to the pro-Russian Crimea region .

Rear Admiral Denis Berezovsky was appointed head of Ukraine's navy on Saturday.

But a day later he appeared before cameras, alongside the pro-Russian prime minister of Crimea's regional parliament, saying he had ordered Ukrainian naval forces there to disregard orders from "self-proclaimed" authorities in Kiev.

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday won parliament's authorisation to use force in Ukraine.

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chuck731

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My interpretation of the term "broadly coinciding points of view" from Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov is that China views the current crisis in the Ukraine as the result of Western interference of Ukrainian internal affairs (think Victoria Nuland phone call). But i also believe that China would have expressed their "concern" over Russian actions in the Crimea. That's why they are not in full agreement about what is happening in the Crimea but only have "broadly coinciding points of views". Its something of a Russian spin on China's statement. China too is opposed to Russian actions in the Crimea but is more "polite" about it then the Western leaders are. And shows some understanding for Russia's position.

And China needs to save her throat for shouting about US military intervention in Syria that is to come later this year.



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I think china has a tendency to make noncommittal, almost formulaic statements about international conflicts which either side can take to mean broad agreement with their own position. But at the end of the day this type of imaginary support and agreement from china brings with it neither action nor cash, nor even strong words spoken in favor, and is therefore totally free to give and meaningless to receive.

So only the isolated side in a conflict, scraping the bottom of the barrel for evidence of international support, will seize upon these statement from china to convince itself that it is not really internationally isolated. The internationally popular side will dismiss it as meaningless drivel it is.
 
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SteelBird

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A group of photos posted on Sina today:
3月4日,约300名乌克兰士兵试图前往已被俄军控制的巴尔贝克空军基地。俄军和民兵(疑似)对乌克兰部队鸣枪,阻止其前进。亮点:1、乌军一边前进一边齐唱军歌给自己壮胆。2、乌军高呼:美国支持我们。

March 4, about 300 Ukrainian soldiers tried to reach Baalbeck air base which under Russian control. Russian soldiers fire warning shots to the air. The Ukrainian soldiers sang army songs while matching forward and shout slogan "The US support us!"

The song may sing like this: "We are the soldiers and we fear no death. If we fall down, we'll fall in the arms of our motherland. If our blood flows, it will dye red the grass...". Russian soldiers: "Come to daddy and I'll feed you with bronze candies"
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Queue up, we are soldiers!
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Fast reaction Russian machine gunner
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Hold your fire, comrade! Let's see what they want.
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Boys, let me remind you; you're Russian but you're standing on Ukrainian territory
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Let's put it this way, now you go back home, and if someday you want to oust Putin, we'll drive into Russian border and give you support. OK?
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Air Force Brat

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A group of photos posted on Sina today:


March 4, about 300 Ukrainian soldiers tried to reach Baalbeck air base which under Russian control. Russian soldiers fire warning shots to the air. The Ukrainian soldiers sang army songs while matching forward and shout slogan "The US support us!"

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Here's the deal, if I get two Russians signed up for Acorn, Obama is going to make me community organizer, and John Kerry is bringing me a signed T-shirt with his picture with Che-Revera
 
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kwaigonegin

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A group of photos posted on Sina today:


March 4, about 300 Ukrainian soldiers tried to reach Baalbeck air base which under Russian control. Russian soldiers fire warning shots to the air. The Ukrainian soldiers sang army songs while matching forward and shout slogan "The US support us!"

The song may sing like this: "We are the soldiers and we fear no death. If we fall down, we'll fall in the arms of our motherland. If our blood flows, it will dye red the grass...". Russian soldiers: "Come to daddy and I'll feed you with bronze candies"
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I hope those poor Ukrainian grunts are not putting all their faith in the US because we're going to let them down. As much as I hate to say it but us/NATO is just not going to intervene militarily.. Period! I just don't see it happening.
 

Jeff Head

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Those are Ukrainian Air Force personnel in the pics and quite a few are officers.

They were also unarmed.

They wanted the Russian to let them stand their posts at the gate and the perimeter of their base that the Russians had occupied. Ultimately, they offered to jointly stand with the Russians. Of course, the Russians turned them down .

They marched up to the Russians...you can see them ducking after the first warning shots...but their Officer led them on until (after a couple of more volleys) he got up to the Russian officer or non-comm in charge and they talked.

Pretty tense. One Russian with a nervous finger and you would have had a blood bath.

Here's the video:


[video=youtube;TRvdmmwoeQE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRvdmmwoeQE[/video]

Bunch of brave Ukrainian patriots in my opinion.
 
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Bunch of brave Ukrainian patriots in my opinion.

I just watched this video for the third time (and saw it yesterday once, with The Telegraph commentary http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/mem...s-views-photos-videos-20-6796.html#post272211) and it seems the Russian in charge (the tallest from those three) only asked if there's Ukrainian commander present, which I assume would be the previous commander of the Belbek airbase; the answer was negative, so that Russian only made it clear to the Ukrainians that this is it and they are not going any further toward the base.
 
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