2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

There is a good reason why Chinese businesses do not invest south of the Taedong river between Wonsan and Nampo, since that is where South Korean business interests lies (Kaesong) in North Korea, and China wouldn't want to send troops to occupy with areas in conflict with South Korean business interests.

So if China intervenes upon exiled Kim Jong Un's request, China will intervene to restore order, stability, protect ethnic Chinese citizens, and business interests.

We Chinese must learn from the Russian example of unilateral intervention into client/vassal states upon "pro-American" rebellions.

Personally I feel bad for Ukraine and its people, West once again is letting them down, NATO, EU and US the combined military’s non-existent when the enemy is Russia, the Western forces have numbers and the sophistication to go with it but they never want to get into a fight with Russia

I have a feeling Crimea will quietly go to Russia as with some other Eastern provinces of Ukraine and Kiev will remain but with a lot less territory and much much worse off

Question really is, who is next? All other Eastern European countries are now worried

The 1990s was different, Russia was weak and NATO took out Serbia easily as did the Chechens, now we see Georgia get beaten up in 2008 and 2013 when half a dozen Arleigh Burkes were ready to strike Syria the attack never came as Russia ramped up its naval activity’s

Soon Europe will have to look after its own interests I don’t know how well that is going go when Russia is re-arming at alarming rate

asif iqbal said:

Personally I feel bad for Ukraine and its people, West once again is letting them down, NATO, EU and US the combined military’s non-existent when the enemy is Russia

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I bet a REAL SUPPORT from this side is enough to get Russia back off from whatever they want to do. Without firing a sigle bullet.

Refusing to nuke North Korea for sake of Korean unification, Refusing to nuke North Vietnam for sake of Vietnam unification, Refusing to nuke China for sake of Chinese unification... when hasn't the U.S. let people down -_-

Sorry I didn't read thread so thoroughly but I read news and watching TV; there will be war soon, right?

Rutim said:

I bet a REAL SUPPORT from this side is enough to get Russia back off from whatever they want to do. Without firing a sigle bullet.

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I don't believe Russia will invade the rest of Ukraine for now. Russia realizes the EU and NATO is ambitious but lethargic, And will not have the stomach to act with lightning speed to prop up Kiev government and bring it under the aegis of NATO, and potentially stare down Russia with threat of conflict.

So Russia thinks she has the time to thoroughly undermine the Kiev government.

Of course I think the right thing for EU,NATO, and the US to do now is precisely send envoys with plenipotentiary powers to do whatever it takes to prop up the Kiev government, while simultaneously, not after, extending diplomatic recognition to the Kiev government, induce the Kiev to immediately ask for NATO protection, and expedite the the process to bring Ukraine under aegis of NATO.

NATO should let Russia have Crimea for now, but not recognize the situation to be legitimate, and start a sustained campaign of embargoes and dis-recognition campaign against Russia. If developing new native fracking nature gas resources in Europe can be portrayed as a strategic initiative, then that will thoroughly undermine both a pillar of Russian economy and the most powerful lever of Russian influence - natural gas export to Europe.

But NATO, US, or EU will do none of these things.

SteelBird said:

Sorry I didn't read thread so thoroughly but I read news and watching TV; there will be war soon, right?

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that's what I thought 30 hours ago, Steelbird, now it seems it'll take a turn for the better, meaning: people would loose interest, look for example at the 'Syrian Crisis...2013' thread, I just checked and the latest post is dated 11-11-2013, 10:09 PM, but see this: (the picture was taken near Damascus very recently, became "Photo of the Week" on some server and ... that's it for the rest of the world). So, Steelbird, don't worry, Paralympic Winter Games start in 7 days LOL

Look what a British broadsheet says: It seems some people want to SECURE PEACE FOR OUR TIME!

asif iqbal said:

Personally I feel bad for Ukraine and its people, West once again is letting them down, NATO, EU and US the combined military’s non-existent when the enemy is Russia, the Western forces have numbers and the sophistication to go with it but they never want to get into a fight with Russia

I have a feeling Crimea will quietly go to Russia as with some other Eastern provinces of Ukraine and Kiev will remain but with a lot less territory and much much worse off

Question really is, who is next? All other Eastern European countries are now worried

The 1990s was different, Russia was weak and NATO took out Serbia easily as did the Chechens, now we see Georgia get beaten up in 2008 and 2013 when half a dozen Arleigh Burkes were ready to strike Syria the attack never came as Russia ramped up its naval activity’s

Soon Europe will have to look after its own interests I don’t know how well that is going go when Russia is re-arming at alarming rate

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POLITICS
War was good then when Yugoslavia could be destroyed with little concern for the interests of other countries or those of its inhabitants. You saw the same when Afghanistan and Iraq were occupied, when Libya was destroyed.
The US is militarily much stronger than necessary to defend the country but it is concerned to maintain and extend its control over other countries.
Example: The Netherlands can only expect damage if nuclear weapons were to be used in its neighborhood and so the lower house of the Dutch parliament voted late last year with a majority of 80% to have the 22 US nuclear weapons removed from its territory and that the next fighters of the Dutch air force, 37 F-35A's, must not be equipped to carry nuclear weapons. The government said No, can't be done. This shows, just as the Dutch military contribution to the occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq without more than a minimal support among the population, that the Netherlands is not an independent country but a satellite of the US.

I prefer a return to the Westphalian system in which countries do not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries - as by the way all members of the United Nations accepted in its Charter. In such a system in which, also according to the Charter, countries support any country that is attacked nuclear weapons can be abolished, as demanded by the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and military expenditure can be reduced. We can spend our money better - think of the flooding in England were it was impossible to protect the towns and the countryside.

That must hurt Putin. I doubt anyone predicted it could be this big.