2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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Let's see what happens next, the US, EU, and the pro-Western Ukrainian faction are doing the smart thing by issuing lots of warnings to Russia, soon to be condemnations, but not doing anything militarily provocative right now. Let the Russians secure the Crimea, if they go farther than that then they can easily be overplaying their hand, then the US and EU should take military action to take advantage of that.

The big picture and long term victory is about the hearts and minds, politics and economics, among the majority of the Ukrainian population, the US, EU, and the pro-Western Ukrainian faction already have the upper hand in this regard. That the Russians have to resort to military measures is a sign that they are desperate.

Letting the Russians have the Crimea is a good trade if the rest of Ukraine can be more easily secured as pro-Western, versus a scenario where much larger areas of the Ukraine is solidly politically divided. A solidly pro-Western Ukraine even without the Crimea (or even small portions of the south/east as long as most or all Russian pipelines are cut off) would be a huge blow to Russia, the biggest challenge is for the US and EU to economically make that happen.

To be brutally honest, even a Ukraine mired in civil war is more of a blow to Russia than the West, but it would also be a much less solid victory for the West as well, let's hope it doesn't come to that for the sake of the local population. Anyone thinking that Russia can be completely removed from the Ukraine through military force is forgetting how the Korean War played out.
 
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Jeff Head

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Well...this should stop the talk about the Russians not having troops on the ground in Crimea. Yesterday late, Putin asked for approval of prolonged use of troops in the Ukraine until, "the political situation in the Ukraine normalizes." This morning the Russian parliament voted approval. HE already has troops on the ground in Crimea.

I spent a better part of the night amassing photos from people who have taken the pictures, and videos. Later today I will post that with analysis. As it is, more troops are sure to come now...and it is not clear what Putin means when he says that the "politicval situation normalizes," but is could be ominous for Kiev.

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CNN said:
CNN) -- Russia's upper house of parliament voted Saturday to approve the use of military force in Ukraine. The vote was unanimous.

[Original Story, published 9:23 a.m. ET]

(CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked the upper house of parliament for approval to send Russian troops into Ukraine's Crimea region to normalize the political situation there, the Kremlin said Saturday.

Due to the "extraordinary situation in Ukraine," Putin said, there are threats to the lives of Russian citizens and Russian military personnel based in the southern Crimean region.

It comes on the same day that the new pro-Russian leader of Crimea, Sergey Aksyonov, asked Putin for help in maintaining peace in the Black Sea peninsula -- where Russia has a major naval base at Sevastopol.

International concerns are mounting that Moscow may intervene militarily in the crisis, despite warnings from the United States and other Western powers that it should respect Ukrainian sovereignty.

In response to Putin's move, Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt tweeted: "Russian military intervention in Ukraine is clearly against international law and principles of European security."

The newly appointed interim government in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, is seeking to prevent tensions in Crimea, which has a majority-Russian population, escalating into a full-blown bid for separation.

Ukraine suspects Russia of fomenting separatist tensions in the autonomous region.

Amid the uncertainty, about 300 gunmen wearing Russian Special Forces uniforms attempted to take over the Sevastopol unit of the Ukrainian Coast Guard, a senior official with the Ukrainian Border Service said Saturday.

The gunmen were positioned outside the Ukrainian Coast Guard building, with local residents standing between the two sides, said Col. Sergii Astakhov, assistant to the chief of the Ukrainian Border Service.

The residents are reportedly trying to negotiate and asking the gunmen not to attack, Astakhov said.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian Coast Guard has moved its ships away from the immediate coastline, and they are being approached by three motorboats and one cruiser from the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Astakhov said.
 

kwaigonegin

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Do we have a Med pivot? Better come up with one soon.:confused:

All kidding aside this could escalate into something more than just a small conflagration. Unlike Georgia, Russia intends to annex Crimea. In their minds Crimea has always been theirs.
As long as leads hasn't flown (by russikis) there is still hope but once the first firefight occurs it's going to be very difficult to contain.
 

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I think it safe to assume that Russia is playing for far more than just the Crimea and the commitment to normalise the Ukraine is a significant statement.

I do not think anyone can now doubt that R2P is the route Putin is using to prosecute this campaign and I note from the BBC that there have been big Pro Russian demonstrations in the other big Eastern and Southern cities outside of the Crimea.

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asif iqbal

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Ukrainian president has to just make one mistake and Russia will get a excuse to invade Ukraine

Ukraine should not make the same mistake as Georgia did in 2008 and attack ethnic Russians otherwise Putin will have the perfect excuse to take not only Crimea but also Eastern Ukraine

Where are the Royal Navy Carriers when you need them
 

asif iqbal

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Finland. Though our country has done various military purchases in past few months...

- 100 Leopard 2 A6's from Netherlands.

- 40-60 Spike ATGM launchers from Netherlands. These will be modernized to same standard as our current Spike ER launchers.

- Stringer MANPADS from US.

- Yesterday they announced that FDF will buy GPS guided 155mm "Bonus" artillery shells.

I have a huge respect for Finnish people they alone withstood Russia and won back in the days, Russia is not going to come near Finland
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Inside sources are saying that this will play out far and wide

Assad is worried that without the Black Sea Fleet he will not get the support he needs to continue the war in Syria

If Russia leaves Crimea Assad leaves Syria
 

kwaigonegin

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Inside sources are saying that this will play out far and wide

Assad is worried that without the Black Sea Fleet he will not get the support he needs to continue the war in Syria

If Russia leaves Crimea Assad leaves Syria

Sevastopol is the HQ of the Black Sea fleet. Nobody is going anywhere.
 

Franklin

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I'm going out on a limb here to make a bolt prediction. Barack Obama is going to take his revenge on Vladimir Putin by bombing his ally Bashar al-Assad out of power before years end. After the peace talks in Switzerland failed the war talk is back on again in Washington DC.
 

ohan_qwe

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The situation in ukraine

Do anyone have any thougths on the situation in ukraine and how it will effect china? Do you think that china will help russia politically if this blow ut to a fullscale war between russia and ukraine? If the The Budapest Memorandum is broken does it mean juristically that ukraine can have nukes and that US is at war with russia?
 
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