09V/09VI (095/096) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[BoraTas]

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Retractable front control surfaces are a very small optimization. I don't think it makes much difference. But if we assume that the 095 has them, it means they held nothing back.
I don't know guys. Retractable front control surfaces, hull sections with a diameter of 12 meters (which we saw earlier), X-form rudder patents, etc...

I think the 095 will impress a lot of people. But I am not going to make definite statements as nothing is certain.

 

[antiterror13]

Retractable front control surfaces are a very small optimization. I don't think it makes much difference. But if we assume that the 095 has them, it means they held nothing back.
I don't know guys. Retractable front control surfaces, hull sections with a diameter of 12 meters (which we saw earlier), X-form rudder patents, etc...

I think the 095 will impress a lot of people. But I am not going to make definite statements as nothing is certain.

Can't wait what 095 will look like

 

[BoraTas]

Can't wait what 095 will look like

My guess:

 

[Blitzo]

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Retractable front control surfaces are a very small optimization. I don't think it makes much difference. But if we assume that the 095 has them, it means they held nothing back.
I don't know guys. Retractable front control surfaces, hull sections with a diameter of 12 meters (which we saw earlier), X-form rudder patents, etc...

I think the 095 will impress a lot of people. But I am not going to make definite statements as nothing is certain.

Yes, I'm not exactly sure what they are saying.

Is it a translation issue or something else? Because I think the retractable "bow rudder" they're referring to is the retractable bow plane as is known otherwise, surely? As depicted below... (i.e.: the rudder is vertical, the planes are horizontal).

Unless the Oscar class does specifically have a vertical bow rudder that is retractable, but that would be news to me.



Otherwise, if they mean the retractable bow planes, then that would make a bit more sense but simultaneously it's a bit confusing -- because retractable bow planes are far from unique to the Oscar class and if anything is common to a variety of nuclear submarine classes ranging from 688i, Seawolf, Virginia, to Suffren, to Akula and Yasen etc. So mentioning the Oscar class specifically as an example of it seems odd.

Unless I'm missing something...

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Can't wait what 095 will look like

My guess:
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In more seriousness, based on some rumoured characteristics of 09V that would be externally visible, such as:
- 12m beam, Seawolf proportions
- x tails
- bow retractable planes
- pumpjet

... Essentially the thing will look somewhat similar to a Seawolf with x tails.


The UK oriented Navy Lookout website did very speculative art of SSN(X) and SSN(R) both of which are expected to be similarly large diameter submarines with x tails, compared to the likes of existing US and UK SSN classes:

Adapting the art a little (by combining the SSNX sail with the SSNR hull), a notional 09V could look like another "generic large diameter SSN with X tails and pumpjet and bow planes" submarine, as so:

 

[BoraTas]

Yes, I'm not exactly sure what they are saying.

Is it a translation issue or something else? Because I think the retractable "bow rudder" they're referring to is the retractable bow plane as is known otherwise, surely? As depicted below... (i.e.: the rudder is vertical, the planes are horizontal).

Unless the Oscar class does specifically have a vertical bow rudder that is retractable, but that would be news to me.



Otherwise, if they mean the retractable bow planes, then that would make a bit more sense but simultaneously it's a bit confusing -- because retractable bow planes are far from unique to the Oscar class and if anything is common to a variety of nuclear submarine classes ranging from 688i, Seawolf, Virginia, to Suffren, to Akula and Yasen etc. So mentioning the Oscar class specifically as an example of it seems odd.

Unless I'm missing something...

I am not sure if that is a translation error. Rudder here is a translation from 舵. Which looks normal to me (why Chinese is bad so I am not really dependable here). I guess it doesn't have the meaning it has in English though. It might be applied to any surface that is used for controlling a ship or boat. I am not sure about this, though.


Oscar's rudders are not retractable for certain. I guess it was just given as an example of submarines with retractable bow planes.

 

[Blitzo]

I am not sure if that is a translation error. Rudder here is a translation from 舵. Which looks normal to me (why Chinese is bad so I am not really dependable here). I guess it doesn't have the meaning it has in English though. It might be applied to any surface that is used for controlling a ship or boat. I am not sure about this, though.


Oscar's rudders are not retractable for certain. I guess it was just given as an example of submarines with retractable bow planes.

Yes, I wonder if it's just a poor word choice because I can only imagine it referring to the bow plane/stabilizer.

For example doing a bit of a search, I've seen the same feature on say Seawolf class as referred to as "舰艏平衡翼" which seems more accurate and thorough but also more wordy.

 

[sheogorath]

I'm kind of surprised the US might be going back to diving planes on the sail. I remember reading that this could cause the submarine to twist during hard manouvers plus the whole issue regarding ice

 

[Maikeru]

My guess:
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Naaah....this!

 

[VESSEL]

In more seriousness, based on some rumoured characteristics of 09V that would be externally visible, such as:
- 12m beam, Seawolf proportions
- x tails
- bow retractable planes
- pumpjet

... Essentially the thing will look somewhat similar to a Seawolf with x tails.


The UK oriented Navy Lookout website did very speculative art of SSN(X) and SSN(R) both of which are expected to be similarly large diameter submarines with x tails, compared to the likes of existing US and UK SSN classes:

Adapting the art a little (by combining the SSNX sail with the SSNR hull), a notional 09V could look like another "generic large diameter SSN with X tails and pumpjet and bow planes" submarine, as so:

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095 has a low 3D streamlined sail.

 

[Blitzo]

I'm kind of surprised the US might be going back to diving planes on the sail. I remember reading that this could cause the submarine to twist during hard manouvers plus the whole issue regarding ice

The artwork is speculative, done with artistic license. Don't take the details too seriously.

095 has a low 3D streamlined sail.

I'm not sure what that means, are you referring to a sail that is low in height (i.e. short)? Would it be most similar to russian SSN sails like Akula and Yasen, in that case?