09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

Jeff Head

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093 is the the LA SSN of China.

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Well, sixty-two (62) LA Class nuclear attack submarines (SSN) were built over a 20 year period. The newest one, the USS Cheyenne, SSN-773 was commissioned in 1996 and is now 18 years old. The oldest four were commissioned in 1981 (making them 33 years old now) and they are planned to serve until 2017.

They were built in three flights, the last being what is known as the 688i, or Improved Los Angeles Class.

Twenty two of those boats are still in service along with another 18 earlier boats, for 40 altogether.

The LA Class boats (which have been constantly improved on) are still considered state of the art and are very capable and dangerous SSNs, particularly the last 22 vessels.

How many TYpe 093s are there? Some people say four or five. And the PLAN has already moved on to the Type 095...which rumor has it the first of that class may be commissioned and become active in 2015.

Let's face it, the Type 093 is a transitionary design for the Chinese. And understandably so. It is allowing the PLAN to make progress in their design and gain valuable experience with decent, usable (mening regaularly deployable) SSNs.

But it is not a proven design that the PLAN is comfortable with building a lot of, or making that level of vessel what they build for twenty years or anything close to it.

Once the PLAN settles on a very modern and capable SSN design, and then builds, say...twenty of them, or even twelve...over a ten to fifteen year period, making that design its mainstay...then, IMHO, you may say that relatively speaking whatever class that will be the LA Class of the PLAN.

Will that be the Type 095? We just do not know at this point.

But that is simply my own opinion for the reasons I just enumerated.
 

montyp165

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I for one always considered the 093 to be like the Sturgeon class in terms of Chinese sub development, as it is much more refined than the earlier 091 but not quite the desired underwater performance level that the PLAN wishes for, whereas the 095 would be much closer to those desired qualities.
 

FORBIN

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A fourth SSBN Type 094/Jin would be in service
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China currently has at least four nuclear submarines class "Jin" (Project 094), capable of carrying ballistic missiles (SSBN). As reported by local media today, because of the high security of the project was previously known only three such submarines.

It is reported that each of the nuclear-powered ships capable of carrying up to 12 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) "JL-2" (JL-2). According to the Pentagon, the range of these ICBMs with multiple reentry warhead and blocks of individual guidance is about 7400 Km.

Субмарины класса "Цзинь" являются наиболее совершенными ПЛАРБ, стоящими на вооружении военно-морских сил народно-освободительной армии Китая (ВМС НОАК). По меньшей мере три такие подлодки базируются в зоне ответственности Южного флота ВМС НОАК на острове Хайнан

Class submarines "Jin" is the most perfect SSBN standing armed naval People's Liberation Army (PLA Navy). At least three of these submarines are based in the area of responsibility of the Southern People's Liberation Army Navy fleet on Hainan Island

I have some dates for building, yet seems short, maybe ?

The three first : 409, 410 and 411 in service since 2007, 2010 and 2013 build to Huludao Bohai.
Based to Shakizou/Jiangezhuang close Qingdao and Yalong Bay/Yulin, 1st and 2nd Submarine Base, get also SSN 091/093.
It was annouced 094 with new JL-2 begin in 2014 deterence patrol, no confirmation right now.

Look like Russian Delta and also Indian Arihant, is deemed noisy.
Armed with 12 JL-2
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and 12 torpedoes.

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SpicySichuan

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A fourth SSBN Type 094/Jin would be in service
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I have some dates for building, yet seems short, maybe ?

The three first : 409, 410 and 411 in service since 2007, 2010 and 2013 build to Huludao Bohai.
Based to Shakizou/Jiangezhuang close Qingdao and Yalong Bay/Yulin, 1st and 2nd Submarine Base, get also SSN 091/093.
It was annouced 094 with new JL-2 begin in 2014 deterence patrol, no confirmation right now.

Look like Russian Delta and also Indian Arihant, is deemed noisy.
Armed with 12 JL-2
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and 12 torpedoes.

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Just wondering whether China's submarine reactors are underpowered. Because for some reason Chinese nuclear-powered submarines are always smaller in displacement than those of other countries (except India, of course).
 

Lethe

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Just wondering whether China's submarine reactors are underpowered. Because for some reason Chinese nuclear-powered submarines are always smaller in displacement than those of other countries (except India, of course).

No point spending billions on an enormous submarine with inadequate systems and quieting measures and dozens of inadequate SLBMs when you can achieve 95% of strategic, project and operational outcomes with a vessel less than half the size and cost. China's submarines will scale up as technology and confidence (and funding!) improves -- as will India's.
 
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no_name

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Just wondering whether China's submarine reactors are underpowered. Because for some reason Chinese nuclear-powered submarines are always smaller in displacement than those of other countries (except India, of course).

I think it has more to do with ability of making strong enough hull of larger diameter.
 

tphuang

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Just wondering whether China's submarine reactors are underpowered. Because for some reason Chinese nuclear-powered submarines are always smaller in displacement than those of other countries (except India, of course).
The answer to that should be pretty obvious. Also, building a larger submarine cost a lot more money and take more experience to develop.
 
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