TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Once again the cost to get to that speed. To generate the Cavitation and Propel a full submarine through the water. Way way beyond any conventional or current nuclear tech.
09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread
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Actually we very likely do know more about those missions than the Chinese care for us to know, hence the full on outrage at the rather benign P-8 surveillance, and the "wacky intercepts". In fact it has been suggested that the P-8 dropped a sonubouy, so she may well have been "on target"..... Not to engage, but to listen and learn, there is no doubt a lot of listening going on with the Chinese team as well, making aerial tracking much simpler.... it seems that folks just don't like company any more????
What are you talking about?
We (as in those of us in the public domain) know nothing about PLAN nuclear submarine missions. I'm not sure what the P-8 interception has to do with anything.
Wonder how the US would feel if China flew a Y-8 200 miles right outside of Hawaii or the West Coast...I don't think the reaction had as much to do with hiding any particular one thing as it did with a general principle of deterring any and all surveillance.
At the same time I haven't seen the USNI update their noise estimates while we've been hearing from China that they've improved noise performance with each hull. Hard to say where they're at with all this right now though.
I think the US would be fine with it honestly. The US knows even if the PLA did a few surveillance flights near Hawaii or the continental US, the PLA have no way of substantially using that intelligence in an offensive way.
The Chinese displeasure is less to do with US surveillance and more to do with the overall balance of forces. I'm sure the PLA would be fine with US surveillance if major US offensive forces were not positioned anymore forward than Hawaii and if the PLAN had two dozen super quiet SSBNs.
I seriously doubt it. The fact that it would get 24/7 coverage on cable news would almost necessitate some kind of government statement. Anyways, before we veer off topic.
Actually the US military is very open about 92.3% of what they are doing, we have an all volunteer military, most very well educated and very competent. We are the first to hear when some goof-ball goes wacky, and we do have quite a lot of information about military equipment, whether submarines, aircraft carriers, destroyers, tanks, troop carriers, and everybody loves the aircraft. We know it when the Space Shuttle blows up, or a rocket explodes on the launch pad, and we always end up finding out "why". That's the benefit of "we the people". We "know" that our P-3 was "messed with", we know our P-8 was messed with, we were told that an F-22 pilot "messed with" a couple of Iranian F-4s.
We know when there are a couple of Soviet Subs off the East Coast, and when there is one in the Gulf of Mexico.... we know that Nuke boats are typically very noisy, with pumps and valves,,,,,,as compared to diesel electric boats. We love our country, particularly our military.... we know that our military has to play by the rules, in fact we do have a very good idea of our capability to keep track of your 'cool" type 093/094 boats.. Everybody's ASW is very good,,,,,,, but finding a quiet boat, that doesn't want to be found is still very difficult, finding a boat that makes a little noise, is a whole lot easier. We play with our own quiet boats, "all the time", another thing, our sub commanders get to do something that very few military people have the priveledge to do,,,,"get lost".
Air Force brat, I literally have no idea how your reply is relevant to my post, and I'm not sure what you are saying.
You originally said in passing that we can only judge PLAN SSNs once they start doing long term deployments, and I said we would never know about such deployments because the PLAN would never allow their subs to surface and they have no overseas bases anyhow. Whether the US can or cannot detect them is irrelevant because it isn't like the US will make that kind of information public.
And I am pretty sure it is common practice for all navies to not give details about where their submarines are deployed at any time.
You originally said in passing that we can only judge PLAN SSNs once they start doing long term deployments, and I said we would never know about such deployments because the PLAN would never allow their subs to surface and they have no overseas bases anyhow. Whether the US can or cannot detect them is irrelevant because it isn't like the US will make that kind of information public.
And I am pretty sure it is common practice for all navies to not give details about where their submarines are deployed at any time.
Brumby
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Just refer to the 2014 RIMPAC uninvited guest incident. It was considered impolite but that was as far as the matter went. China's defence was that it operated in international waters. There is a saying "You can't have the cake and eat it"