it's well-known Australian Collins class subs are notoriously noisy. is it comparable to 093B?
09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread
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it's well-known Australian Collins class subs are notoriously noisy. is it comparable to 093B?
It seems like you missed the point there. By a very wide margin.
so, what is your theory? what was the purpose of 093B?
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The distance between Miyako Jima and Diaoyudao is about ~200 km
Based on the graphic above the distance of the Type 093B, where it was from January10th afternoon to January 11th afternoon, is about ~250 km.
250 km in 24 hour means the chinese sub was travelling at a speed of 5.625 knots or 10.40 km/h.
That is not a chase, that is more a show off by chinese sub captain.
It's quite clear that unless the mission was to start a shooting war with the 093, it was only there along with the other detected vessel (and possibly many other platforms as Tam pointed out) to provoke a response from JMSDF. This isn't the first time such an operation was run by China and certainly won't be the last. The alternative theory is somehow a combination of stupid decision makers in PRC and stupid commanders decided it was best to sail one of the PLAN's latest nuclear attack subs in its most silent wartime mode into disputed territory either with the aim of firing munitions or to test the observers ability in detecting said sub. The result of them detecting it is a dramatic decrease in the usefulness of this type of submarine. The result of them not detecting it is either China starts a shooting war and gets the first shot (somehow they only decide to send one platform) or they don't know anything about whether their sub is detectable by Japanese or not. This last part is important because short of starting to fire munitions, there's nothing that demands the Japanese have to send the Chinese a polite message or some obvious action showing they know the sub is there. Therefore making the experiment useless even if somehow all these incompetent decision makers were to make a stupid pointless gamble.
The leaps of logic this alternative theory makes only proves how unlikely it is. Especially considering how many times these sorts of confrontations have already happened. You think they'd make a blunder of that magnitude despite the mountains of experience in these little tit for tat games?
The leaps of logic this alternative theory makes only proves how unlikely it is. Especially considering how many times these sorts of confrontations have already happened. You think they'd make a blunder of that magnitude despite the mountains of experience in these little tit for tat games?
The distance between Miyako Jima and Diaoyudao is about ~200 km
Based on the graphic above the distance of the Type 093B, where it was from January10th afternoon to January 11th afternoon, is about ~250 km.
250 km in 24 hour means the chinese sub was travelling at a speed of 5.625 knots or 10.40 km/h.
That is not a chase, that is more a show off by chinese sub captain.
you should read carefully. JMSDF's hot pursuit started when the sub 093B entered in Senkaku's contiguous zone, not between Miyako and Senkaku.
The distance between Miyako Jima and Diaoyudao is about ~200 km
Based on the graphic above the distance of the Type 093B, where it was from January10th afternoon to January 11th afternoon, is about ~250 km.
250 km in 24 hour means the chinese sub was travelling at a speed of 5.625 knots or 10.40 km/h.
That is not a chase, that is more a show off by chinese sub captain.
Yes but we don't know the actual path traveled. The speed could have been much faster if the distance traveled was actually longer than straight line or indicated.
a simple question. in your theory,
Did PLAN expect the sub would be detected during the mission?
That completely depends on the speculation on what sort of mission this is. Now assuming it is the mission in the theory myself and others hold, that being for gathering intel on Japanese assets and their responses to a possible Chinese attack. I think the PLAN leaders did indeed know the sub would most likely be detected. At what stage it would be detected may be one thing they are testing (but this is also assuming the Japanese will respond). But it is almost certain they would have allowed only a margin for the Japanese to detect it, before either broadcasting their position or varying the acoustic signature of their sub by increments until the Japanese responded. They were definitely looking for a response and they were testing the response and recording the hardware responding to the sub. All without giving away the entirety of Type 093's acoustic signature. At least at significant enough distances.
The only thing this reveals is that China is at least preparing for a modern 21st century naval war with very capable country/countries. You don't just rush into battle with your best stuff swinging. Collecting data is a big part and we see China doing this more than Japan. I personally don't think PRC has intention of invading Japanese mainland and non disputed Japanese territories (because they can't really win such a war conventionally, at least not anytime soon). But taking Diaoyu islands (aka Senkaku islands) by force is definitely something that is possible. Albeit only slightly possible. However unlikely this is, every eventuality requires some serious preparation. So perople can interpret this as China is hellbent on military aggression, or it is preparing for worst case scenarios against Japan and possibly USN.