09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

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latenlazy

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Blackstone said:
And yet the Pentagon's "voodoo science" is based on information from intelligence services. Numbers we see on SDF are generally from rumor mills of dubious origin and believability. Therefore, I'll take the Pentagon's estimates, thank you very much.
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"Voodoo science" in this case refers to extrapolations on a design that hasn't even been produced yet. Where do you think military intelligence gets its information from.
 
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Blitzo

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Iron Man said:
You made very similar statements twice without further clarifying:

"anyway, I find this discussion about what 09V may be like to be a bit confusing when we don't even really know how quiet 09III and 09IIIB really compares to other SSNs and how we probably never will."

"I do think it's a bit weird making guesses for 09V when the issue of 09III/09IIIB's relative acoustic stealth has yet to really be settled though."

So it's not hard to see why it looks exactly like you shifted from saying "it's weird to make guesses about 095 levels without knowing 091/093 levels" to "it's weird to make guesses about 095 levels without stating your personal opinion on 091/093 levels" (once I pointed out that knowing these levels will probably never happen), which is what you started saying later on. Neither of which preclude people making guesses, but rather the source of your personal feelings of weirdness, and of course the nature of the implicit criticism, is what is different. I guess you were clarifying that when you said "knowing 091/093 levels" you actually meant "stating one's personal opinion about 091/093 levels". Not really the same thing or even part of the same overarching idea, but ok.
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Like I said, they were statements made in passing, I wasn't going to write a full paragraph long explanation of my entire position as I did in my last post without anyone

As I wrote in my last post, when I said "not knowing 09III/IIIB levels" (paraphrased) made discussion confusing/weird/awkward etc, it is referring to the inability for people to agree on where the disagreements are, and that's why I said including what their opinions about 09III/IIIB acoustic stealth is would be useful as it would help to partially demonstrate where the disagreements are despite us not knowing what the 09III/IIIB's acoustic stealth levels actually are in real life.
 
szbd

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vincent said:
Vibration dampening tech on highspeed rail
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My friend, there is no vibration dampening tech on highspeed rail, China or any other country. The "Vibration" you are talking about is not vibration of the train's body, but the vibration of train's movement.

A train wheel is a truncated cone, the diameter is bigger inner side than outer side. Therefore when the train is somehow shifted to one side, say left, the wheel will use bigger diameter on left and smaller diameter on right. By this way, left is a little faster than right, so that the train will go back to the middle and prevented from derailed. Of course, it will go over right a little, than back leftward again... This is the "vibration" generally happens in other high quality railways (low quality railways have a lot of different vibrations of course). There's a kind of device to control this kind of movement that all high speed trains in the world have it. But only China actually controlled it into a near perfect level.

This is because China builds the rail and trains in very high construction standard, like huge base of the rail (mostly strong bridges even over plain ground), very long curve with big radius, use huge digital automatic forge to make the train parts, etc. And China do all these with extreme accuracy.

It's a big achievement with out any doubt, but it has nothing to do with submarine.
 
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szbd said:
My friend, there is no vibration dampening tech on highspeed rail, China or any other country. The "Vibration" you are talking about is not vibration of the train's body, but the vibration of train's movement.

A train wheel is a truncated cone, the diameter is bigger inner side than outer side. Therefore when the train is somehow shifted to one side, say left, the wheel will use bigger diameter on left and smaller diameter on right. By this way, left is a little faster than right, so that the train will go back to the middle and prevented from derailed. Of course, it will go over right a little, than back leftward again... This is the "vibration" generally happens in other high quality railways (low quality railways have a lot of different vibrations of course). There's a kind of device to control this kind of movement that all high speed trains in the world have it. But only China actually controlled it into a near perfect level.

This is because China builds the rail and trains in very high construction standard, like huge base of the rail (mostly strong bridges even over plain ground), very long curve with big radius, use huge digital automatic forge to make the train parts, etc. And China do all these with extreme accuracy.

It's a big achievement with out any doubt, but it has nothing to do with submarine.
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Dang Equation you beat me to giving this bloke a like, 498 post and not one like. Where have you been all this time szbd?
 
Hendrik_2000

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Blackstone said:
And yet the Pentagon's "voodoo science" is based on information from intelligence services. Numbers we see on SDF are generally from rumor mills of dubious origin and believability. Therefore, I'll take the Pentagon's estimates, thank you very much.
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What intelligence service? You mean humint? They have none.It is guesstimate nothing more nothing less. So they are no better than rumor on the forum Heck rumor is better because it is base on some one observation even if it on purpose vague due to security reason
 
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military intelligence is an oxymoron, it is exactly Pentagon's "intelligence" that got us into fiasco Iraq and Afghanistan and now wasted trillions dollars ending up with D+ infrastructure and trump care and I live in Cali and I had to go to Mexico for my healthcare needs because you get way more bang for the buck there. The government has to QE to alleviate it's own beavis and butthead consequences and now the world are having second thoughts about the Dollar as the world reserve currency status so say bye bye to the printing press coupled with reduced manufacturing capacity due to atrophy of the industrial sector you have too much cash chasing after too few goods the US will end up like Zimbabwe even if you stack your cash to the ceilings still can't yourself a piece bubble gum
 
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