09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[azesus]

The reason everyday goods and service are so cheap is because we import Chinese goods and insourced Mexican labor, the reason services such as healthcare are so expansive is because they are specially protected sector by the interest lobby group. Imagine suddenly the Chinese quit importing to us and we had to buy everyday stuff such as hammer and toilet from similarly protected special interest group such as the MIC good luck enjoying your $800 hammer and $50k toilet

 

[Hendrik_2000]

My friend, there is no vibration dampening tech on highspeed rail, China or any other country. The "Vibration" you are talking about is not vibration of the train's body, but the vibration of train's movement.

A train wheel is a truncated cone, the diameter is bigger inner side than outer side. Therefore when the train is somehow shifted to one side, say left, the wheel will use bigger diameter on left and smaller diameter on right. By this way, left is a little faster than right, so that the train will go back to the middle and prevented from derailed. Of course, it will go over right a little, than back leftward again... This is the "vibration" generally happens in other high quality railways (low quality railways have a lot of different vibrations of course). There's a kind of device to control this kind of movement that all high speed trains in the world have it. But only China actually controlled it into a near perfect level.

This is because China builds the rail and trains in very high construction standard, like huge base of the rail (mostly strong bridges even over plain ground), very long curve with big radius, use huge digital automatic forge to make the train parts, etc. And China do all these with extreme accuracy.

It's a big achievement with out any doubt, but it has nothing to do with submarine.

Well the principle is still the same you have sensor, frame, computer, control strategies. It is not exactly like Submarine since it is different system But the technology is similar

Just like earth quake balancing machine in high rise building that counteract the swaying of building hit by earthquake

 

[Blackstone]

What intelligence service? You mean humint? They have none.It is guesstimate nothing more nothing less. So they are no better than rumor on the forum Heck rumor is better because it is base on some one observation even if it on purpose vague due to security reason

HUMINT, IMINT, SIGINT, GEOINT, MASINT, are just some of the methods, and there are probably more. As for your claim US intelligence agencies are no better than rumors on public forums, that's a counterintuitive claim. Can you explain why you believe that? And do you think it's peculiar to US intelligence agencies or it's the case with all agencies, including the Communist Party intel services?

 

[Hendrik_2000]

What are we talking her Congressional report on China economic development
As somebody said they are just clipping from newspaper, web , media etc. And we know how bad is western media when it come to estimating Chinese capability

They have closed session which is not open to the public and we never know what they know
I bet more than the report for public consumption!

 

[Blackstone]

What are we talking her Congressional report on China economic development
As somebody said they are just clipping from newspaper, web , media etc. And we know how bad is western media when it come to estimating Chinese capability

They have closed session which is not open to the public and we never know what they know
I bet more than the report for public consumption!

You didn't answer why you think SDF forum postings are more reliable or believable than US Intelligence Agencies, as you claimed in post #1099.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

You didn't answer why you think SDF forum postings are more reliable or believable than US Intelligence Agencies, as you claimed in post #1099.

Well the famous ONI chart is from Congressional economic report So it is just guesstimate for public consumption nothing more. There is no intelligence report on Chinese submarine open to public except economic report

Show me your much vaunted intelligence report on China sub?

 

[azesus]

Most of the time if you hear the word " intelligence" the more likely the opposite or whatever the lack of it is true. Nothing but empty meeting of echo chamber lazy group think another chance to agree with your boss so you can kiss his ass self confirmation bias and self fill prophecy or whatever to move on for the bureaucracy's hidden agenda. Most of the time different opinions will just get put down by your peers and superiors so why bother. If you have had common sense from experience in the real world or just happened to once upon a time picked up a Dilbert from the library you will understand this, if you still can't comprehend it then maybe good luck with your next life time hope you are not born so dense. I am pretty sure Shillary got the biggest budget for her " intelligence" staff research analysts team and look at what happen it? Just bunch kiss ass echo chamber cheerleaders saying she's the best

 

[Blackstone]

Well the famous ONI chart is from Congressional economic report So it is just guesstimate for public consumption nothing more. There is no intelligence report on Chinese submarine open to public except economic report

Show me your much vaunted intelligence report on China sub?

I don't have any intelligence on China's sub, other than various Congressional reports the Pentagon prepares each year. The 2009 ONI chart is part of those reports, so reasonable people would agree the information came from credible sources that includes US and allies Intelligence services. The Pentagon reports might contain errors, and that's to be expected, but it's far more believable than a bunch of rumors from dubious Chinese sources on public discussion forums. The fact you said you believe the latter over the former tells me you're either joking or irrational on the specific topic. Could be both.

 

[delft]

The reason everyday goods and service are so cheap is because we import Chinese goods and insourced Mexican labor, the reason services such as healthcare are so expansive is because they are specially protected sector by the interest lobby group. Imagine suddenly the Chinese quit importing to us and we had to buy everyday stuff such as hammer and toilet from similarly protected special interest group such as the MIC good luck enjoying your $800 hammer and $50k toilet

OT
This morning someone on BBC Radio 4 explained that so few people were trained to be nurse in UK ( half of the qualified people who would want to become nurse ) was because it was cheaper to hire trained nurses in the Philippines which is a practice that now collides with the notion that UK shouldn't receive immigrants. But it and draconian low expenditure on essential services provides UK with a very cheap health service.

 

[szbd]

Well the principle is still the same you have sensor, frame, computer, control strategies. It is not exactly like Submarine since it is different system But the technology is similar

Just like earth quake balancing machine in high rise building that counteract the swaying of building hit by earthquake

Well,like I said at first, it's movement vibration for train not body vibration. And it's caused by the specific structure of railway. If you say it's similar to control submarine body vibration, maybe it's similar philosophically,but definitely not technically.