075 LHD thread
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Nice model. I believe an LHD of that size, in addition to the aft elevator, would probably have a deck edge elevator as well.
In fact, the best arrangement would be to have two deck edge elevators, one on the starboard side immediately aft of the island, and the other on the starboard side, about 1/2 way between the stern and the island.
In fact, the best arrangement would be to have two deck edge elevators, one on the starboard side immediately aft of the island, and the other on the starboard side, about 1/2 way between the stern and the island.
MwRYum
Major
Are those bulges on the sides VLS modules? And by the scales they don't look like SAM-only types such as those on 054A FFGs, but rather the newer, cruise-missile capable ones that'd give this design an offensive punch of its own?Didn't see this post anywhere so I guess I should share...
antiterror13
Brigadier
French MISTRAL for CHINA, is it possible?
I am surprised, a lot of noise about that
he ongoing saga over France’s sale of two Mistral-class helicopter carriers to Russia took a new turn on Monday with Chinese media reporting that representatives from the French in Shanghai could propose a deal to sell the warships to China.
In recent weeks Moscow has taken a firm, if conciliatory, stance on the Mistral deal. Last month President Vladimir Putin announced that his officials “do intend to seek any penalties or fines” from France over the postponed sale but instead would only seek repayment of the costs incurred on the Russian side if the sale falls through.
The problem with this deal is that the ships have been built to Russian specifications. The first of the two, the Vladivostok, has already been taken on sea trials by Russian naval personnel, while the second ship, the Sevastopol, now also appears to be ready for sea trials.
However, they currently have nowhere to go.
Since the onset of the Ukraine crisis the French government has agonised over the €1.2 billion contract. After tense negotiations, France succeeded in getting existing contracts excluded from the European Union’s package of sanctions against Russia over its role in supporting rebels in eastern Ukraine.
At the time, French President François Hollande told reporters:
The Russians have paid. We would have to repay €1.1 billion [if they were not delivered] … at this stage, there are no sanctions imposed that would oblige us to renounce [the contract].
However, with the original deadline for the handover of the Vladivostok fast approaching, Hollande imposed two conditions necessary for the sale: A cease-fire in Ukraine and progress toward a settlement over Ukraine’s future.
Unfortunately, it does not seem that these conditions are likely to be met before Russia pulls the plug on the deal. So either a new buyer has to be found or the ships could end up as scrap.
That is where China could come in.
Chinese media have latched onto the point that among the group of French vessels currently in Shanghai is the Dixmude landing vessel — the first Mistral-class ship to visit a Chinese port. This has seen the rumour mill into overdrive, amid claims that France is using the trip as a way of providing a shop-window of the vessel ahead of a proposal.
There’s only one problem with the theory — it would still cost hundreds of millions of euros to refit the ships to meet China’s requirements. That may be only a small fraction of the €1.2 billion total cost of the two vessels, but it nevertheless represents a substantial increase on the original price that will either have to be taken on by the prospective buyer or swallowed on the French side.
What might be compelling France to push for a deal now, however, is the simple cost of doing nothing. French defence columnist Jean-Dominique Merchet wrote that the delay in the Mistral deal could cost French taxpayers as much as €5 million a month for upkeep and maintenance if they remain in the port of Saint-Nazaire.
A deal with China may not provide the profit that the French side has been hoping for from the deal, but it would at least end the rising cost.
I am surprised, a lot of noise about that
he ongoing saga over France’s sale of two Mistral-class helicopter carriers to Russia took a new turn on Monday with Chinese media reporting that representatives from the French in Shanghai could propose a deal to sell the warships to China.
In recent weeks Moscow has taken a firm, if conciliatory, stance on the Mistral deal. Last month President Vladimir Putin announced that his officials “do intend to seek any penalties or fines” from France over the postponed sale but instead would only seek repayment of the costs incurred on the Russian side if the sale falls through.
The problem with this deal is that the ships have been built to Russian specifications. The first of the two, the Vladivostok, has already been taken on sea trials by Russian naval personnel, while the second ship, the Sevastopol, now also appears to be ready for sea trials.
However, they currently have nowhere to go.
Since the onset of the Ukraine crisis the French government has agonised over the €1.2 billion contract. After tense negotiations, France succeeded in getting existing contracts excluded from the European Union’s package of sanctions against Russia over its role in supporting rebels in eastern Ukraine.
At the time, French President François Hollande told reporters:
The Russians have paid. We would have to repay €1.1 billion [if they were not delivered] … at this stage, there are no sanctions imposed that would oblige us to renounce [the contract].
However, with the original deadline for the handover of the Vladivostok fast approaching, Hollande imposed two conditions necessary for the sale: A cease-fire in Ukraine and progress toward a settlement over Ukraine’s future.
Unfortunately, it does not seem that these conditions are likely to be met before Russia pulls the plug on the deal. So either a new buyer has to be found or the ships could end up as scrap.
That is where China could come in.
Chinese media have latched onto the point that among the group of French vessels currently in Shanghai is the Dixmude landing vessel — the first Mistral-class ship to visit a Chinese port. This has seen the rumour mill into overdrive, amid claims that France is using the trip as a way of providing a shop-window of the vessel ahead of a proposal.
There’s only one problem with the theory — it would still cost hundreds of millions of euros to refit the ships to meet China’s requirements. That may be only a small fraction of the €1.2 billion total cost of the two vessels, but it nevertheless represents a substantial increase on the original price that will either have to be taken on by the prospective buyer or swallowed on the French side.
What might be compelling France to push for a deal now, however, is the simple cost of doing nothing. French defence columnist Jean-Dominique Merchet wrote that the delay in the Mistral deal could cost French taxpayers as much as €5 million a month for upkeep and maintenance if they remain in the port of Saint-Nazaire.
A deal with China may not provide the profit that the French side has been hoping for from the deal, but it would at least end the rising cost.
Blackstone
Brigadier
France probably wouldn't break EU arms/technology embargo against PRC without sign on from the major EU players, which in turn wouldn't go against strong US opposition. I say "probably" because it's France we're talking about.
MwRYum
Major
That'd only merely be a normal visit, anyone who's been awake and aware of things would know there's no such thing as a possible sale of those LHDs to China, which I also immediately pointed those things out when that news first surfaced in Chinese BBS sites. As a political gesture or practical issues, the French would've more chances to find India taking them, or...Taiwan, as the new president expected to take office after the 2016 election there is going to be one anti-PRC character.
So, I really don't get why and how such notion would've surfaced in the first place.
So, I really don't get why and how such notion would've surfaced in the first place.
Equation
Lieutenant General
Good eye you got there..I didn't notice that. Those bulges seems like some kind of VLS but more for the ships air defense system perhaps?