075 LHD thread

[antiterror13]

Just out of interest, has China ever indicated in the past that it might pursue a STOVL capability? I thought I had read many years ago, the they may have been looking into the Yakovlev Yak-141 from the Russians, but I can't find that article now. Cheers.

I think eventually yes, but I highly doubt it that it will be based on Yak-141 ... China will develop by herself, I believe will be 5th generation, not sure the time frame though

 

[Biscuits]

Just out of interest, has China ever indicated in the past that it might pursue a STOVL capability? I thought I had read many years ago, the they may have been looking into the Yakovlev Yak-141 from the Russians, but I can't find that article now. Cheers.

Think the Yak-141 is way too outdated now.

Short term, China doesn’t seem to have any intentions for STOVL aircraft. The 075s seem to be built as ASW carriers.

For nations that lack the expertise to build full sized carriers, STOVL aircraft are attractive as they allow them to bring a handful of jets on a helicopter carrier. However, China can already embark full sized fighter jets on aircraft carriers, so it’s more important to dedicate the helicopter carriers for ASW mission.

If China wanted a STOVL aircraft now, it would have to be a new build. They should have a few paper design studies, but it’s very low on the priority list.

 

[Gloire_bb]

The 075s seem to be built as ASW carriers.

They are most certainly not ASW carriers.

 

[lcloo]

They are most certainly not ASW carriers.

With a large well port and internal space for tanks and motor vehicles, 075's primary role is obvious.

Not that type 075 can't perform ASW, with its fleet of ASW helicopters it can put up good defence against submarines in the area. However, it's speed (20 knots?) is far slower than submerged submarines which are capable of 30 knots plus. Thus it is not well suited for submarine hunting.

British Invisible class aircraft carrier is more suited for ASW than an amphibious assault ship like type 075. Also the retired French navy ship Jeanne d'Arc helicopter cruiser was a good example of fast sub-hunter. Today, submarine hunting are the job of destroyers and frigates (and their helicopters), in coordination with land based long range ASW planes like Y8Q.

 

[Jeff Head]

Is there any evidence of a deck edge elevator?

I saw a depiction of the Chinese LHA with one on the starboard side, but I now realize it was an older, inaccurate depiction. The only one you might consider that way is the aft elevator which allows an aircraft to extend back, over the edge there...sort of like the aft elevator on the Tarawa class, of which five were built andfrom the mid-1970s until 2015 when the last was decommissioned.

Here are some pictures of th Tarawa class LHA. It had a rear elevator like the CHinese vessel, but also had a deck edge elevator on the port side towards the aft. They were all replaced by the Wasp class.

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Since that time the US has built 8 Wasp class LHDs and is now working on the 3rd America Class LHA, which will make 11 in total. It is not clear yet whether the US will maintain 11 or 12 of these vessels. I believe it may be 12.

The last two Tarawa class, the USS Nassau LHA-4 and the USS Peleliu, LHA-05, are being held in reserve.

 

[PanAsian]

Just out of interest, has China ever indicated in the past that it might pursue a STOVL capability? I thought I had read many years ago, the they may have been looking into the Yakovlev Yak-141 from the Russians, but I can't find that article now. Cheers.

They are certainly capable of developing STOVL drones. At this time I think something akin to the V-22 whether in drone or crewed form will be more useful than something like the Yak-141 or Harrier.

 

[Pika]

They are certainly capable of developing STOVL drones. At this time I think something akin to the V-22 whether in drone or crewed form will be more useful than something like the Yak-141 or Harrier.

I think we are getting way over our skis here talking about STOVL jets and drones when China still hasn't fielded a true dedicated carrier-born fighter for its three CVs unlike the US first with its F-14s, F-18s, and now F-35Cs

 

[williamhou]

I think we are getting way over our skis here talking about STOVL jets and drones when China still hasn't fielded a true dedicated carrier-born fighter for its three CVs unlike the US first with its F-14s, F-18s, and now F-35Cs

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With a large well port and internal space for tanks and motor vehicles, 075's primary role is obvious.

Not that type 075 can't perform ASW, with its fleet of ASW helicopters it can put up good defence against submarines in the area. However, it's speed (20 knots?) is far slower than submerged submarines which are capable of 30 knots plus. Thus it is not well suited for submarine hunting.

British Invisible class aircraft carrier is more suited for ASW than an amphibious assault ship like type 075. Also the retired French navy ship Jeanne d'Arc helicopter cruiser was a good example of fast sub-hunter. Today, submarine hunting are the job of destroyers and frigates (and their helicopters), in coordination with land based long range ASW planes like Y8Q.

Invisible class

 

[williamhou]

I saw a depiction of the Chinese LHA with one on the starboard side, but I now realize it was an older, inaccurate depiction. The only one you might consider that way is the aft elevator which allows an aircraft to extend back, over the edge there...sort of like the aft elevator on the Tarawa class, of which five were built andfrom the mid-1970s until 2015 when the last was decommissioned.

Here are some pictures of th Tarawa class LHA. It had a rear elevator like the CHinese vessel, but also had a deck edge elevator on the port side towards the aft. They were all replaced by the Wasp class.

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Since that time the US has built 8 Wasp class LHDs and is now working on the 3rd America Class LHA, which will make 11 in total. It is not clear yet whether the US will maintain 11 or 12 of these vessels. I believe it may be 12.

The last two Tarawa class, the USS Nassau LHA-4 and the USS Peleliu, LHA-05, are being held in reserve.

I wonder why Tarawa Class are called LHAs, while Wasp Class are called LHDs, and then America Class are back to LHAs, when every singe one of them apart from LHA-6 and LHA-7 of the America Class has a well deck.

 

[Intrepid]

I wonder why Tarawa Class are called LHAs, while Wasp Class are called LHDs, and then America Class are back to LHAs, when every singe one of them apart from LHA-6 and LHA-7 of the America Class has a well deck.

Simply political reasons: to tell the taxpayer, he gets more value for money.

The US changed frigates to cruisers for the same reason 40 years ago.