071 LPD thread

antiterror13

Brigadier
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

well, not sure whether you realise that China' coastline is over 14,500. If island coastlines are included it would be over 18,000 kms. Do you call it "not that long" ... amazing

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antiterror13

Brigadier
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

well, not sure whether you realise that China' coastline is over 14,500. If island coastlines are included it would be over 18,000 kms. Do you call it "not that long" ... amazing

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no_name

Colonel
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think the categorization of the three fleets are very vague, mainly depending on where the ship is stationed.

That's because in the past China's fleet is more for defensive purposes and not ocean going. The fleet position pretty much tells you the area of water that they will be defending. Also if war happens in the past I doubt they will be supporting one another, they were probably expected to conduct operations independently, and have closer cooperation with land based assets in their area instead.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think the categorization of the three fleets are very vague, mainly depending on where the ship is stationed. The three fleets are somewhat merging over the years. Plus, the initial separation into three fleets was a decision caused by the lack of capabilities of PLAN in the early days. The Chinese coastal line is not that long, but when you only had small torpedo boats and few small destroyers/frigates (2000ton class, however you want to call it), you have no choice but to divide it up.

In this period, it would be better to change the classification and nature of those fleets. Instead of three regions for three fleets, it should be a north fleet, responsible for the northern waters; then the southern fleet, covering today's east sea fleet's area plus the spratlys and Taiwan region. Then the third fleet covering oversea, long range operation. Of course due to political pressure, it's not clever to call it the expeditionary fleet/force. Maybe they all should be numbered, 1st to 3rd.

The classification and zoning of the currents fleets are outdated and inadequate for today's situation. It would like having three fleets on each side of the American continents.

I think each fleet will eventually evolved into a more robust blue water navy as they get more ships and more experience with equipment and personnel. Each would be interchangeable as far as capabilities goes.
 

escobar

Brigadier
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think each fleet will eventually evolved into a more robust blue water navy as they get more ships and more experience with equipment and personnel. Each would be interchangeable as far as capabilities goes.

better reunified all three fleet into a single one.
 

hmmwv

Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I really don't see NSF getting a 071, all Chinese marine and dedicated amphibious army units are located in Southern China so most likely only ESF and SSF will get them.
 

Geographer

Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I don't see the utility in maintaining three fleets. In the case of the USSR and USA, different naval fleets were necessary because of geography. Ships based in San Diego simply cannot be expected to train on a regular basis with ships based in Virginia. But China's coastline, while long, is contiguous. It's understand to have multiple agencies in charge of naval logistics because the ports are so spread out, but command of all the ships should be a single structure.

The downsides to maintaining three fleets are the bureaucratic problems. Fleet commanders are going to have rivalries. They're going to fight for funds and ships. Top PLAN commanders are going to allocate ships to appease the fleet commanders and keep the peace. Competition between private companies is good, competition between government agencies is usually bad. Breaking the navy into three fleets makes it a little bit harder to arrange cross-fleet training missions than if command was unified.
 

franco-russe

Senior Member
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I really don't see NSF getting a 071, all Chinese marine and dedicated amphibious army units are located in Southern China so most likely only ESF and SSF will get them.

I entirely agree. I.a. because NSF's landing ship force is a single squadron, subordinated to 1 Attack Boat Flotilla, not a flotilla as in SSF and ESF. The main problem I see is that there are no Marines in ESF (there should be IMHO).
 
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