071 LPD thread

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

That flight deck looks better than new. No muss..no fuss. No tire marks, no spilled hydraulic fluid or JP5. As an old salt I say impossible for an operational ship. Impossible.

And I don't see any fire fighting gear at all. What gives???

Not enough trained specialized sailors perhaps?

 

[Blitzo]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think most of the pictures we see of chinese military "training" is taken under optimal if not staged circumstances, which makes it look off. That doesn't mean the PLA doesn't do "real" training, it's just that the PLA's photographers somehow think cleaner photographs from weird angles looks better than slightly grittier less set up photos.

Or in this case, maybe they just finished cleaning the deck. We don't know how the PLAN maintains their ships, they could've just finished a FOD sweep and/or scrub down. (I've heard both japanese and korean navies clean their ships very thoroughly. Not a stretch to apply this to PLAN as well, all east asian/sinosphere culture)

I certainly don't think these pics are necessarily PSed or modified in any way though.

However PLAN ships do seem very well maintained, at least the newer ones in most of the pics we've seen. I wonder how the interiors of the ship looks like. (Actually there's some pics of 998's interior here:

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As for fire fighting gear...

None here either? And the photo of 071 doesn't show the deck in the middle of flight ops like san antonio so I think they can be forgiven for not wearing colour coded jackets

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

None here either? And the photo of 071 doesn't show the deck in the middle of flight ops like san antonio so I think they can be forgiven for not wearing colour coded jackets

In both pics there could be firfighting standing by forward of the pic.

But to the other point, the tire scuff marks are going to happen if you do very many missions or exercising requiring taking off and landing from the deck. This just tells me that since whenever the PLAN LPD was last painted, there has not been very much landing and taking off going on at all off of that deck.

The US San Antonio class on the other hand is probably experiencing multiple landings and takeoff every day and into the night.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

i dont think that is just limited to Chinese LPDs, even the rest of the Chinese military show thier equipment in emaculate condition, even tanks etc etc and same for the Type 054A and Type 052C ships, I think Chinese have a very high level of maintanence and look after thier equipment and also maybe send out pics straight after a paint job

no doubt American workrate is much much higher but i think its down to the way China wants to protray themselves they have always had a alot of manpower and so lots of time to do the job

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

i dont think that is just limited to Chinese LPDs, even the rest of the Chinese military show thier equipment in emaculate condition, even tanks etc etc and same for the Type 054A and Type 052C ships, I think Chinese have a very high level of maintanence and look after thier equipment and also maybe send out pics straight after a paint job

no doubt American workrate is much much higher but i think its down to the way China wants to protray themselves they have always had a alot of manpower and so lots of time to do the job

I do not believe you will find a more intensive and thorough maintenance operation than what exists on US Navy vessels. It is part and parcel of their maintenance and damage control regiment.

Those decks on US Carriers, LHAs, LPDs, etc. look the way they do because of the hundreds of landings that are constantly occurring.

The US could not clean up every one each day like that because they literally would be in the way of ongoing operations and would then reduce what the vessels are able to accomplish, which is their reason for existance. Those skuff marks do not impact the ability of the vessel to conduct missions. The landing deck was constructed for this very tempo of operations.

Once the vessel comes into port, or has a prolonged period of non-operational tempo, then they can "pretty her up." But they are not made to necessarily look pretty or perfectly clean. They are made to perform their function and to be maintained very, very well so that they can.

I expect as operations pick up on the PLAN vessels to an extent where they conduct that level of business every day and into or through the night, you will see the decks reflect that. Right now, simply put, they reflect a relatively low rate and low tempo of sorties and landings on those decks.

As they gain experience and use them more and more in pursuit of their growing world-wide interests I woudl expect to see that change.

 

[delft]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

For the time being they have too few helicopters to thoroughly scruff that 071 flight deck.

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

For the time being they have too few helicopters to thoroughly scruff that 071 flight deck.

Agreed that the PLAN overall has too few helos for their SAR, ASW, Recon, Patrol, Transport, etc. duties from off of all the surface combatants they are building which require the,. FFGs, DDGs, LSTs, LPDs, and the Carrier. it's something they really need to address so as not to hamper the ability to conduct operations with those vessels and train a cadre of personnel in those helo air ops.

I did a study once of the Z-8, Z-9, KA-28 and KA-31 helos available to the PLAN...I'll have to dig that up and revise it. When I do I will post it on this thread in this post.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I did a study once of the Z-8, Z-9, KA-28 and KA-31 helos available to the PLAN...I'll have to dig that up and revise it. When I do I will post it on this thread in this post.

that would be nice Jeff, have you got like a inventory list for helos in PLAN?

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

that would be nice Jeff, have you got like a inventory list for helos in PLAN?

Somewhere...listing the intial purchases from France on the Z-8 and Z-9, as well as the purchases from Russia on the KA-28 and KA-31s.

Seems like altogher their were something over 100 naval helicopters available, but I will post the list to the above post on this thread when I find it.

 

[bd popeye]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

dont think that is just limited to Chinese LPDs, even the rest of the Chinese military show thier equipment in emaculate condition, even tanks etc

I think most of the pictures we see of chinese military "training" is taken under optimal if not staged circumstances, which makes it look off. That doesn't mean the PLA doesn't do "real" training, it's just that the PLA's photographers somehow think cleaner photographs from weird angles looks better than slightly grittier less set up photos.

Very true! the PLA just wants every thing to be just right. I just want to see some "real" pix that's all...maybe some day...