071 LPD thread

[delft]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Agreed! Even though many nations in East Asia are allies of the US, what they will do in time of a war between the US and China will be uncertain at best. Large nations use small nations to maximize their own interests while the small nations also do the same, although in a different manner. While large nations usually use brute forces, like intimidation, to get the small nations to do what they want, the small nations usually use finesse to get the large nations to do what they want as well. Just like getting 2 bidders into a bidding war at an auction, small nations usually get 2 large nations into a bidding war as well. Most of the small nations in East Asia do the same with the US and China.They know that both the US and China want them for their interests. So they play the game. Things will be completely different when a war breaks out. It is no longer in their interest for the small nations in the East Asia to get involved between a conflict between the US and China. So most likely, these small nations will sit out and "watch the fire from across the river". They will perhaps get involved when a clear winner emerges and get on the side of the winner.

Also if they see a war looming they might change sides to make starting that war less attractive. Even a war they do not take part in will be hugely damaging.

 

[Engineer]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think the PLAN could build and man a couple of LHDs or LHAs. They also have the helicopters to make it possible.

There's something like the following numbers of each (not all outfitted for troops):

Z-8: App. 20 helos @ 15 troop capability
Z-9: App 200 helos @ 10 troop capbility
M17/171: App 200+ helos @ 24 troop capability
S-70C: App. 20 helos @ 11 troop capability

If they placed 8 M17/171s and 10 Z-9s on an LHA, that would be 18 troop carrying helos (plus other utility, attack, and ASW and/or AEW helos) giving the air assault a max of 300+ troops per wave.

Anyhow, it could be done...whether it will be done or not is another thing...particularly if they can afford to use their helos in this manner.

With exception to Z-8, all of these helicopters are land variants and belonged to PLA. They are not going to be transferred to PLAN and they are not corrosion resistance to operate in the sea environment.

 

[bd popeye]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

They are not going to be transferred to PLAN and they are not corrosion resistance to operate in the sea environment.

No aircraft is. Sailor's maintaining these sea going aircraft must learn the preventative measures to treat corrosion. USN aircraft squadrons all have a work center called Corroision Control. Their job is to fight corrosion.

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[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Actually, there are PLAN variants of the Z-9.

For the others, they could be modified for sea use and corrosion resistant measures taken.

Just depends on how badly the PLAN and PRC wants to outfit an LHA.

If they do, they can make said mods much cheaper than designing a new helo and then maintain them in that condition aboard ship.

So, for Z-8 they use what they have. For Z-9 they use what they have and maybe mod some others...or incorporate it into the production line. For M171, they make mods or incorporate into production.

My point is that if the PLAN wants to they have the types of helos that could be used. Maybe not as strong or capable as an MV-22 Osprey or Sea Stallion, but plenty capable enough to do the types of things France, for example, is doing with their LHAs.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

if China makes LHD it will be probably post-2015, by then helos like Z15 will be avalible, and also China has helos like the 13-ton AC313 which it can make for Navy, also attack naval varients for WZ10 or WZ19 can also go on LHD, I think there is many opitions

 

[delft]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

No aircraft is. Sailor's maintaining these sea going aircraft must learn the preventative measures to treat corrosion. USN aircraft squadrons all have a work center called Corroision Control. Their job is to fight corrosion.

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Their job is made easier by the correct choice of materials in building the aircraft and their engines. That is another reason why seagoing aircraft are heavier than their land based counterparts, beside the sometimes cruel movements of ships in a storm.

 

[Engineer]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

There must be a bit more to it than this as all countries would build CV's instead of LHD's.

Which country with capability of building LHD didn't build CV?

Actually, there are PLAN variants of the Z-9.

Like I have said, that's the light and less powerful helicopters which are "easy" to get, yet China still doesn't have enough to fill the combatants.

 

[getready]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

true Jeff, that part of the world is in a LPD/LHD frenzy, everyone wants one, also Austrilians are not wanting to be left out, they are getting 2 Canberra class amphibious vessels bigger than Type 071 LPD, around 28,000 tons, flat top which can carry between 16-24 helos which is a very large helo fleet

in comparision Chinas 3 LPDs are very small force in terms of amphibous assualt but lets hope they keep making them and bigger and better ones

I just hope we see a new flat top LHD coming out from China very soon, if current production continues by 2020 China can field between 7-8 LPDs and a 1-2 LHDs along with Varyag + Indigenous Carrier, easily 2nd most powerful navy in the world

you are forgetting we are effectlvely entering an age of austerity right now. Going gungho on military spending is no longer the name of the game. Many euro nations economies are in a shit way currently, US debt situation is in a pretty bad shape herself, china may be in better condition than most but they would get affected soon as this is a globalized economy, each interdependent on one another. I seriously think the money saved would be put into much better use. Yes, it sounds funny saying this in a military forum.

 

[Lion]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

you are forgetting we are effectlvely entering an age of austerity right now. Going gungho on military spending is no longer the name of the game. Many euro nations economies are in a shit way currently, US debt situation is in a pretty bad shape herself, china may be in better condition than most but they would get affected soon as this is a globalized economy, each interdependent on one another. I seriously think the money saved would be put into much better use. Yes, it sounds funny saying this in a military forum.

I think China shall spend more on military. Its one way to further boast its economic, Keep up the advancement of its own technology and keep own domestic worker employ.

 

[delft]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I understand that over the last thirty years or more China has never forgotten its whole economy while deciding on its military budget. That means don't spend more than you can afford to and make use of spare capacity.
But changing civil to military production or doing the reverse is now more difficult than seventy years ago. A horrible example was the production of tramway cars for the local public transport company in Boston by the helicopter plant of Boeing-Vertol after the end of the war against Vietnam. The old trams were so old that they spend too much time being repaired. The new ones, more expensive because built by a plant geared to the quality needed by helicopters, spent even more time out of service because the wrong compromises had been made in their design and production. So keeping your own domestic workers employed may be less easy than it seems.