071 LPD thread

[Lion]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I bet at least 6 of these before they move on to LPH(28500 tons) of something like France Mistral.

By the way, that shall be the speed and the way to do it. China is a huge country and reaches world stage. It desperately need at least 4 of these to handle any situation now.

1 for anti-piracy, 1 disaster relief, 1 stand-by for any military small scale intervention and 1 in yard....

 

[petty officer1]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Last time I saw A. man's post on 071 update #511 that is only 20 some days ago... and now it maybe ready for sea trail within a month... that is...fast

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I bet at least 6 of these before they move on to LPH(28500 tons) of something like France Mistral.

By the way, that shall be the speed and the way to do it. China is a huge country and reaches world stage. It desperately need at least 4 of these to handle any situation now.

1 for anti-piracy, 1 disaster relief, 1 stand-by for any military small scale intervention and 1 in yard....

I think this ship isnt just limited for amphibous assualt but also serves a pretty good command and control ship also, so China can do with as many as it can get, just 3-4 isnt enough, look at all the ships USN has, the more the better

if China wants to deploy a regiment/brigade and all thier equipment and support vehciles they will need atleast 5 of these minimum

 

[cn_habs]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Can someone confirm the date of this new set of pics? I suspect that it's the 2nd 071 that we are seeing here.

 

[Blitzo]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Can someone confirm the date of this new set of pics? I suspect that it's the 2nd 071 that we are seeing here.

I think it's the third, the second hasn't returned from sea trials I think :O

Holy cow it was launched fast... I'm quite confident we'll get 6 of these bad boys by 2015 now. That will be a massive leap in cabaility compared to a few years ago or even now... Add to that a fresh varyag (albeit not operating with a very experienced crew), about the 4 or 5 093 SSNs in service currently, possibly a total of 4 or 6 052Cs, and well over a dozen 054a's in service and you have a lot of selection for an expeditionary group. Just need more replenishment vessels now, and start launching next gen CVs, DDGs, FFGs and SSNs to keep the momentum.

 

[MwRYum]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

But to make the additional LPD, and the future LHD, useful first the PLAN need to expand their helicopter fleet, with more potent helicopter types than the current small fleet Z-9 and Z-8, or at least in the meantime more Z-8, to make use of such a platform.
Of course, more LCAC. There has yet any indication that the 3320 (or they called it Type 726?) is under serial production.

 

[no_name]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I feel the PLA has to keep busy building just to cover ground and phase out older vessels. And by the time they completed the cycle the first ships would need to be upgraded/replaced again - Which is good for us military watchers!

 

[Blitzo]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

But to make the additional LPD, and the future LHD, useful first the PLAN need to expand their helicopter fleet, with more potent helicopter types than the current small fleet Z-9 and Z-8, or at least in the meantime more Z-8, to make use of such a platform.
Of course, more LCAC. There has yet any indication that the 3320 (or they called it Type 726?) is under serial production.

071 can carry 2-4 choppers at max, but let's say a typical complement is 3. With six 071s that is 18 Z-8s probably with a few more shore based/under maintenance.
I think the Chinese helicopter industry while not world class, should be able to produce sufficient numbers over the following years, and PLA should see the value of attaching choppers to LPDs. And tphuang posted in the helicopter thread changhe could produce 100 helicopters a year(?). Not sure if its all Z-8s, but still.

As for lcac, well even if no lcacs are produced 071s big well can hold LCUs and/or large numbers of
ZBD04s/Chinese EFVs that 071s can carry. LCACs are the icing on the cake.

And LCAC is a fairly small vessel; we don't know what stage of production it is at, but it's size may allow smaller shipyards to build it (despite it being relatively "advanced"). But 022s were "advanced" too, and small and we remember how fast they were thrown out.

Even if there aren't choppers and lcacs to go along, the sheer size and capacity 071s can hold and the number of PLA AAVs and smaller landing craft will still be a massive boost in capability compared with now.

 

[tphuang]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

more pictures from HD shipyard of the 3rd 071. The final pictures shows 999 returning from sea trials.

As for the speed of its launch, the 2nd 071 got launched at about the same speed. However, it spent a long time next to the docks before it went on sea trials.

Also, Z-8 production has picked up a lot in the recent couple of years, so I don't think that will be a limiting factor.

 

[CottageLV]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I checked Wikipedia and it said the 071 class can carry 500-800 men and 15-20 amphibious vehicles. Does it mean simoultaneously, or and/or for the infantry and vehicles. Realistically speaking, how much of a punch can 500-800 men deliver in the Taiwan Strait scenario. I mean at a tactic point of view, pragmatically speaking.

Speaking of which, how does Uncle Sam transport its troops simultaneously at large scale? I understand there are a lot of galaxies and C-17s, but they cant really transport that much heavy equipments to overseas. So does the USN contract civillian vessels? or use ships like the San Antonio class?

For some reason, I just don't really see that the PLAN can get the bang for their buck. This sucker costs probably in the range of 500mil to 1bln US dollars. Yet, only able to deliver 500-800 men and few amphibious vehicles. These things are not really that good at self protection and still costs a fortune to build and run. So why not build cheap large civilian style roll-on／roll-off ships. They are much cheaper and can carry a hell lot more stuff. The most important of all is that they're quick to build. Even if you lose a few in battle, it won't hurt your wallet.