071 LPD thread

[pugachev_diver]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

It doesn't matter what weapon is given to a party, the symbolism is much more important.

The bottom line is, both Chinese and Indian systems are corrupt and especially bureaucratic. But the Chinese are still very efficient in getting things done, whereas India's "democracy" has not aided India's modernization at all. I have a friend (Canadian) whose father is doing business in India, he said if you want to get something done, you would have to see countless officials and get countless stamps; each one of them would demand something from you and make things more difficult.

 

[Engineer]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Im not talking about tanks or planes. India is manufacturing an AC. Even if what you say about ACs subsystems is true, at least they have something to show for it, unlike china. Get me a photo of china building an AC, and well talk.

Show me some India's projects that meet specs, finished on time and on budget, then we'll talk.

 

[pugachev_diver]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Plus, India's stockpile of weapons are way too foreign. India always has the dream to become number one in Asia and a respectable player in the world. But you cannot achieve it by always buying foreign. A nation's military might is directly related to its national industrial strength. Military equipment directly a nation's industrial capability. India should worry about its economy and fundamental infrastructures rather than its military might. When the British left India, there were 55000 km of railroad and the current length is still only 63000 kilometres, plus only a few hundred kilometres of highway that meet international standard.

Right now, India gives me the impression of too much of a try hard, trying to get everything done at once instead of a thoroughly outlined plan. India should really calm down and sort everything out first, then slowly and progressively pick up the pace. China would be a great example for India to follow and to learn from.

China's relatively successful military modernization did not come easily over night. It happened because of what I mentioned earlier. The country's basic infrastructures were developed first, including roads (highway & railroad), schools, more funds for academies, and especially trying to acquire foreign technologies as well as developing its own, instead of simply just buying the whole thing. Decades later, the literacy rate is almost 100% the population (if you exclude those over 65), great strides were taken in technological achievements, economy is big enough to justify and adequately support military developments. Now, the military equipment are made by indigenous multi-axis machines and almost all the parts are locally made. If India had done the same thing, it wouldn't have had such difficulties in doing something as easy as designing a relatively simple main battle tank, and still struggling after 30 years of progress, fearing that the project may be cancelled.

Just like what our teachers always teach us in class, a group of people is only as strong as its weakest link. Countries like Germany and Japan are powerful not because of they have extremely advanced technology (even China surpasses them in a lot of super high tech areas), but because they can do the basics better than others, and this is more than enough to make them respectable.

 

[no_name]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Guys, maybe time to move back to LPD?

 

[pugachev_diver]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I'm still wondering why major powers don't build super ships to have bigger capacities. To be honest, even the 20-30,000 tons LPDs are still pretty small if you really think about it. They don't have to have many weapon systems. Their main task is to carry personnel and weapons across the sea. So why not just build huge ones, like 150,000 tons or something. Like I mentioned a few days ago, the current generations of LPDs are still only around 20-40,000 tons. They sound big but still only carry so much. If you build a 150,000-200,000 tons monster, 2 or 3 of them would be enough to carry like 50,000 troops or few hundred main battle tanks. This would be very effective, whereas current fleets' few hundred men at a time is fish-food size destined to be annihilated.
I think a monster ship wouldn't cost too much, since the only thing different would be the size. All it needs is a bigger engine and more steel. Current electronic systems would still work.

 

[Maggern]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Guys, maybe time to move back to LPD?

dear god yes

 

[MwRYum]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I'm still wondering why major powers don't build super ships to have bigger capacities. To be honest, even the 20-30,000 tons LPDs are still pretty small if you really think about it. They don't have to have many weapon systems. Their main task is to carry personnel and weapons across the sea. So why not just build huge ones, like 150,000 tons or something. Like I mentioned a few days ago, the current generations of LPDs are still only around 20-40,000 tons. They sound big but still only carry so much. If you build a 150,000-200,000 tons monster, 2 or 3 of them would be enough to carry like 50,000 troops or few hundred main battle tanks. This would be very effective, whereas current fleets' few hundred men at a time is fish-food size destined to be annihilated.
I think a monster ship wouldn't cost too much, since the only thing different would be the size. All it needs is a bigger engine and more steel. Current electronic systems would still work.

It all restricted by the capacities of all the support elements - shipyard docks that can assemble one and provide overhaul service, berths in naval bases, machine shops to provide maintenance, width and depth of waterways it'd travel in its expected operational lifetime - think simply why USN have to restrict the width of its supercarriers, which is to fit in the Panama Canal.

 

[pugachev_diver]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

It all restricted by the capacities of all the support elements - shipyard docks that can assemble one and provide overhaul service, berths in naval bases, machine shops to provide maintenance, width and depth of waterways it'd travel in its expected operational lifetime - think simply why USN have to restrict the width of its supercarriers, which is to fit in the Panama Canal.

I don't think China has this problem. It will probably never move up the Yellow River. It'll just be in the open ocean the whole time. Anyways, I still think bigger ships will be much more effective than the current sizes.

 

[antiterror13]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I'm still wondering why major powers don't build super ships to have bigger capacities. To be honest, even the 20-30,000 tons LPDs are still pretty small if you really think about it. They don't have to have many weapon systems. Their main task is to carry personnel and weapons across the sea. So why not just build huge ones, like 150,000 tons or something. Like I mentioned a few days ago, the current generations of LPDs are still only around 20-40,000 tons. They sound big but still only carry so much. If you build a 150,000-200,000 tons monster, 2 or 3 of them would be enough to carry like 50,000 troops or few hundred main battle tanks. This would be very effective, whereas current fleets' few hundred men at a time is fish-food size destined to be annihilated.
I think a monster ship wouldn't cost too much, since the only thing different would be the size. All it needs is a bigger engine and more steel. Current electronic systems would still work.

It is not a good idea ... you wouldn't risk the whole of your forces in just one boat ... it somehow get sunk by an enemy ... you would lose everything ... don't put all your eggs in one basket

 

[plawolf]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I'm still wondering why major powers don't build super ships to have bigger capacities. To be honest, even the 20-30,000 tons LPDs are still pretty small if you really think about it. They don't have to have many weapon systems. Their main task is to carry personnel and weapons across the sea. So why not just build huge ones, like 150,000 tons or something. Like I mentioned a few days ago, the current generations of LPDs are still only around 20-40,000 tons. They sound big but still only carry so much. If you build a 150,000-200,000 tons monster, 2 or 3 of them would be enough to carry like 50,000 troops or few hundred main battle tanks. This would be very effective, whereas current fleets' few hundred men at a time is fish-food size destined to be annihilated.
I think a monster ship wouldn't cost too much, since the only thing different would be the size. All it needs is a bigger engine and more steel. Current electronic systems would still work.

Maybe you have heard of the term 'not putting all your eggs in one basket' before. Building a single or small number of monster LPDs make them obvious targets, and if one is taken out, that is a significant part of your sealift capacity gone together with a hell of a lot of men and equipment.

Larger ships also equate to fewer hulls, which in turn leads to less flexibility and slower response times as a single ship can only be in one place at a time while a fleet can be many places at the same time.

Then there is the most obvious fact that such super LPDs would be way overkill unless your goal was world conquest, which it isn't for China.