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Blitzo

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

This is typical kanwa trolling lol.

6 LCACs? In a 30,000 ton hull? Would it be some kind of super LSD? And something apparently that's flown under all our collective noses?

We know PLAN are looking to acquire a few wasp sized LHA/Ds, but that's about it.
 

Jeff Head

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Either way, any ship that accommodate 6 Type 726 LCACs in an integral well deck would be monstrous in either length or width, probably both.

I think the reason why one might need such a ship is if one plan to hold a large amphibious force ready at sea for a long time, to provide a large force presence in a distant theater.
Agreed. I think it is simply a rumor and not associated with any actual build.

It would be far more flexible for the PLAN to build two more Type 071s and thus be able to maintain eight LCACs in a distant theater with all the flexibility, redundancy, etc. that two of the Type 071s would bring versus a single one of these monsters.

AIMHO, a force of five Type 071 LPDs or even 7-8 of them would be a better solution, given their geo-political position, than 3 Type 071s and 2 of these.
 

Blackstone

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Agreed. I think it is simply a rumor and not associated with any actual build.

It would be far more flexible for the PLAN to build two more Type 071s and thus be able to maintain eight LCACs in a distant theater with all the flexibility, redundancy, etc. that two of the Type 071s would bring versus a single one of these monsters.

AIMHO, a force of five Type 071 LPDs or even 7-8 of them would be a better solution, given their geo-political position, than 3 Type 071s and 2 of these.

One consideration is PLAN's shortage of trained personnel for high-end ships like LPDs. Crewing 3 Type 071 and 2 Type 071++ is probably easier than 7 or 8 of the vinalla 071 LPDs.
 

chuck731

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One consideration is PLAN's shortage of trained personnel for high-end ships like LPDs. Crewing 3 Type 071 and 2 Type 071++ is probably easier than 7 or 8 of the vinalla 071 LPDs.

I think the marines skilled and experienced enough to efficiently assault a beach from LPDs is probably a bigger bottleneck than crews to men the LPDs. You wouldn't address the marine bottleneck by building fewer bigger LPDs.
 

Jeff Head

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One consideration is PLAN's shortage of trained personnel for high-end ships like LPDs. Crewing 3 Type 071 and 2 Type 071++ is probably easier than 7 or 8 of the vinalla 071 LPDs.
The equivalent numbers would be six vanilla Type 071s versus the three existing Type 071s and two of the newer ones.

These LPDs capable of six LCACs are going to be very large LPDs. But their manning requirements in terms of skill set will be virtually the same as the normal Type 071 LPD. Two normal Type 071 LPDs are going to provide for 8 LCAC capability and will probably require more manpower than a single corresponding 6 LCAC LPD for sure...but also provide less capability and less flexibility.

The real question would be what the manning requirements are for three normal Type 071 LPDs versus two of these new 6 LCAC LPDs would be. That's the real apples to apples comparison. In that scenario you get the same lift capacity and you could then look at the trade offs.

Three Type 071s would be more flexible than two of the newer types IMHO, less vulnerable, but may require more manpower. Those tradeoffs would have to go through the PLAN's cost/benefit analysis. I would expect that the difference in manpower would not be too excessive at all, and that the skill sets are going to be the same. For me, thaving hree of the normal Type 071 LPDs would be where my gut would go versus two of these rumored vessels.

But I do not think there will be such an analysis because I personally do not believe it is anything more than a rumor. Time will tell.
 
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tphuang

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they still haven't even commissioned the 3rd Type 726 yet. I would be happy if they can get 2 Type 726 per 071 at this point.
 

Jeff Head

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they still haven't even commissioned the 3rd Type 726 yet. I would be happy if they can get 2 Type 726 per 071 at this point.
Amen to that, Tphuang!

I expect, sooner or later, that the PLAN will build more LCACs They have clearly built three expensive Type 071 LPDs to make use of that capanbility and it just seems clear to me that they will fulfill that capability as soon as they are sure they have a reliable LCAC platform to do so.

The fact that they are taking so long implies that they are having troubles with that design.

They would need 12 LCACs to be able to fully utilize all three Type 071s at this point.
 

kwaigonegin

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Amen to that, Tphuang!

I expect, sooner or later, that the PLAN will build more LCACs They have clearly built three expensive Type 071 LPDs to make use of that capanbility and it just seems clear to me that they will fulfill that capability as soon as they are sure they have a reliable LCAC platform to do so.

The fact that they are taking so long implies that they are having troubles with that design.

They would need 12 LCACs to be able to fully utilize all three Type 071s at this point.

I'm wondering what is taking them so long as well. I may be wrong but I don't think building LCACs would be a difficult task for China's shipbuilders. Maybe it's something else. If they are building Zubrs I don't see why they churn out the 0726s like hotcakes.
 

plawolf

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There is no doubt about China's building capacity, but maybe they found some design flaws during extended test out at sea and require time to make adjustments/improvements. This is China's first attempt at a LCAC after all, and it would not be out of the ordinary if they didn't nail the design first time round.
 

chuck731

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I'm wondering what is taking them so long as well. I may be wrong but I don't think building LCACs would be a difficult task for China's shipbuilders. Maybe it's something else. If they are building Zubrs I don't see why they churn out the 0726s like hotcakes.

1st guess: The gas turbines or the gear box.
 
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