071 LPD thread

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

impossible to tell at this juncture. Too early. An educated guess would be better sensors, weapons MAYBE? different engines but I the ship would still be pretty much be the same on the outside.

One great defensive weapon system they could easily add, IMHO, that would benefit the vessels greatly in self defense would be one or two FL-3000N HQ-10 launchers. Like those on the Liaoning. Having 36 good anti-air missiles would be good for such an important and valuable capital ship.

 

[philbob]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

ok are any being fitted out still ? i could of sworn there was talk about a 4 or 5th unit. oh well. the 71b will probably be a fully decked over 071 in my opionion

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

recently Kenya mounted a amphibous landing in Somalia, this was the first whole scale African landing as such, and they compeletly outflanked the Al-Qaeda forces and won the war

this shows how important a well organised amphibious landing can be, it can change outcome of a war, if carried and planned correctly it can contain the element of suprise and knock out a enemy with a killer blow

amphibious assualt is a great military tatic which has shown to be a fundamental part of military victorys, they are just so important

 

[Blackstone]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

ok are any being fitted out still ? i could of sworn there was talk about a 4 or 5th unit. oh well. the 71b will probably be a fully decked over 071 in my opionion

Why would the PLAN fully deck the 071b when they're building 40k ton 081(s)?

 

[MwRYum]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Why would the PLAN fully deck the 071b when they're building 40k ton 081(s)?

No one knows for sure about the 071 LPD follow-up or the 081 LPH/LHD, not until when there's a hull assembled and launched.

 

[PanAsian]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think the PLAN likely sees the 071s as modern equivalents of LSTs. With such a small air component they are only good for low intensity ops whether it's combat or humanitarian missions. At this point with the Liaoning operational the priority is probably to get a LHD in the water, evaluate its costs and abilities, then decide on what else to build. If there is a follow-on LPD I would expect it to be able to at least operate 4 Z-8s at the same time, or at least 2 Z-8s and 2 Z-10s.

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think the PLAN likely sees the 071s as modern equivalents of LSTs. With such a small air component they are only good for low intensity ops whether it's combat or humanitarian missions. At this point with the Liaoning operational the priority is probably to get a LHD in the water, evaluate its costs and abilities, then decide on what else to build. If there is a follow-on LPD I would expect it to be able to at least operate 4 Z-8s at the same time, or at least 2 Z-8s and 2 Z-10s.

I think the LPD is much more capable than the LSTs, and even with two heavy lift helos operating at once on the deck, I believe the hangar spaces my be able to hold two large and two medium...but am not sure on that. Anyhow, with two at a time, and with a couple of the Type 071s involved together, that means four heavy lift helos coming at you at once for air assault, while probably six full LCACs are coming at the beach at the same time.

That's a lot to counter given that it can land on any beach, anywhere as long as they are suitably supported.

With the PLAN LCAC capability and the air assault capanility, if two LPDs act together, they can pull off a pretty good landing, but would have to have additional air support, either from the carrier or land based.

But these LPDs are just a first step in the upgrade to the PLANs amphibious assault capability. My guess is that ultimately the PLAN will have maybe four LHDs and maybe six LPDs that will be able to, with some of the later model LSTs form up very nice ARGs for the PLAN and be far, far more effective than anything they could otherwise perform with the LSTs alone.

An LHD, with two LPDs and four LSTs, escorted by a couple of FFGs and DDGs would make a potent ARG.

 

[Subedei]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

okay, this may seem obtuse, but, can anyone tell me why they think, or why they think the PLAN thinks, it needs amphib capabilities? is this a spratleys, sennaku, paracels thing? i'm certain it's not done with taiwan in mind, or, at least, i'd hope not!

 

[Mysterre]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

okay, this may seem obtuse, but, can anyone tell me why they think, or why they think the PLAN thinks, it needs amphib capabilities? is this a spratleys, sennaku, paracels thing? i'm certain it's not done with taiwan in mind, or, at least, i'd hope not!

Yes, if called upon to serve. Spratlys, Paracels, DYT, Taiwan. All of them. Any of them. Problem?

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

not sure what else can go on the Type 071B if and when it comes but larger capacity might be on the cards but even Type 071 LPD is big enough

Exactly.

They could upgrade her defensive weapons systems by adding the FL-3000N, and they could do some rearranging of her well deck perhaps based on what they have learned and maybe her helo deck...perhaps a bit larger to be able to land up to three Z-8s simultaneoulsy.

But I do not see much more than something like that in the cards.

Three LPDs is a goodly number, but I would expect the PLAN to ultimatly have 4-6 of them.

At some point, I expect them to have an equal number of LHDs or LHAs so they can form their own ARGs, coupling one an LHD and an LPD with a couple of their TYPE 072 III (Yuting II), or TYPE 072 II (Yuting) LSTs and escorts. That would make for a powerful Amphibious ready group.

And if they had six of each LPD and LHD, they could have four or five ARGs available at all times. If they have four of each, that will mean two or three.