071 LPD thread

[franco-russe]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Imperial Germany's Seebataillone would correspond to the French fusiliers-marins which still exist, primarily as the Groupement des fusiliers-marins commandos, which are subordinated to the Special forces command, but also as guard companies in naval bases, that would be the same as the German Marineschutzkräfte.

As far as I know, the German Navy now has only two LCM's left, and I believe that even the Fluszpioniere with their amphibious craft on the Rhine and Weser Rivers are gone.

 

[Red___Sword]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

The Germans do not have any amphibious forces (and certainly no marines).

As of today, dose Germany is binding under some kind of treaty (for WWII) that it can not have (meaningful) amphibious assault force? What I am trying to say is it even besides the really needs (that Germany not urgently needs?) of amphibious assault force, but that she can't have one? One that can / capable to pull off what an English word bluntly called "invasion"?

 

[franco-russe]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

No. Germany has repeatedly renounced the possession of nuclear weapons, and they have an upper limit on their armed forces (270,000 men, if I remember correctly - they have less than half of that, so it is not much of an obligation), but otherwise they can do as they wish. During the cold war they had quite a number of small landing craft for small amphibious operations in the coastal area.

They did consider building a LPD type ship several years ago, but the designers came up with an expensive monster that no one would pay for.

 

[Scratch]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Actually, that upper limit, wich was put in place in the 2+4 treaty after reunification, sets an upper limit of 370.000, wich is still binding today. Current strength is about 200.000 and shrinking to 185k.
During the cold war, having a large amphib force on the baltic sea just never really made sense, I guess. Something like the dutch Rotterdam was envisioned a few years back, but as franco-russe said, industry got in the way and tried to make a fortune.

 

[CottageLV]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Wow, life is a bitch. Who would've thought the once mighty Teutonic legions would be so castrated today, plus having foreign troops still staying there. It's sad to see this.

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Anyways, drifting off topic.

Just want someone to help me clarify, how many have officially been recognized as 071? Including those in service and those in shipyards, but those half done and speculated to be 071 don't count.

 

[bd popeye]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Anyways, drifting off topic.

Correct..thanks CottageLV for reminding everyone..

 

[franco-russe]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Actually, that upper limit, wich was put in place in the 2+4 treaty after reunification, sets an upper limit of 370.000, wich is still binding today. Current strength is about 200.000 and shrinking to 185k.
During the cold war, having a large amphib force on the baltic sea just never really made sense, I guess. Something like the dutch Rotterdam was envisioned a few years back, but as franco-russe said, industry got in the way and tried to make a fortune.

Thanks for the correction, that was exactly what I should have said, a ceiling of 370,000 but only half of that now.

During the cold war the Warsaw Pact seemed rather keen on large amphibious operations in the Baltic...

 

[A.Man]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Shanghai Hudong Third 071 & 6th 054A (12th of the total)

 

[CottageLV]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Wow, 12 already? I mean that's not including unwelded half hulls?

 

[Jeff Head]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Shanghai Hudong Third 071 & 6th 054A (12th of the total)

I think with the newest one just coming out of HP that that is nnmber 14 in the water. At least two more I believe to be built.

They have moved fast.