071 LPD thread

[no_name]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Why do Chinese marines wear blue camouflage? Unless they are planning to be wading ashore, in which the blue might blend in with the water, the blue is going to stick out big time on the beach, in the dunes, and in the forest or where ever they are deployed. Blue camouflage is useless and looks like some kind of paintball team trying to look cool.

But I think they will be useful if you are talking about operations on some of the small rocky reefs in the SCS.

 

[Blitzo]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

It seems you are right there, 2 Z-8 and 1 Z-9 seen at the same time (my recollection must have been faulty).

It seems logical that the two hangars are basically for two Z-8. If they can additionally put one Z-9 in one hangar, they could also put one in the other. Or, if the Z-9 is just on the helopad, they might as well have Z-8 there, too. So basically, I think 071 can operate with a maximum of four Z-8.

I think 071s can carry a maximum of four Z-8s in the hangar(s)

We saw this cutaway a few years back when 998 first deployed to somalia, and it seems to show both hangars going in quite deep -- deep enough to fit two Z-8s in each.

 

[CottageLV]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Does cost-effectiveness increase or decrease when LPD's/Amphibious attack ships/light carriers increase by every 10,000 tons? Saw a post by either popeye or jeff, on the topic of USN fast mobilizing ships. I remember those ships were very large and very fast, but very expensive to operate. Is that just due to improper design or it's all ships nature to increase in operating cost when sizes increase? Or should it be opposite with today's technology?

 

[delft]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Does cost-effectiveness increase or decrease when LPD's/Amphibious attack ships/light carriers increase by every 10,000 tons? Saw a post by either popeye or jeff, on the topic of USN fast mobilizing ships. I remember those ships were very large and very fast, but very expensive to operate. Is that just due to improper design or it's all ships nature to increase in operating cost when sizes increase? Or should it be opposite with today's technology?

It doesn't make sense to carry more than you need, but up to that and taking account of the size of the ports you want to use, a larger ship is more efficient than a smaller one. It carries a larger load as a fraction of its displacement. It needs a smaller crew per 10 000 tons of cargo. It needs less power per 10 000 tons of cargo at a given speed. Indeed at a high speed a short ship can have a dramatically higher wave drag than a long ship.

 

[asif iqbal]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I think 071s can carry a maximum of four Z-8s in the hangar(s)

We saw this cutaway a few years back when 998 first deployed to somalia, and it seems to show both hangars going in quite deep -- deep enough to fit two Z-8s in each.

that answers the question, that hanger cleary show 2 front to back Z8s, if its real then it can carry 4 x Z8 which is very good

afterall I am sure when PLAN designed the ship they probably would have taken into a/c the landing for 4 Z8 sized helos

this means LPD can indeed deploy serious troops for rapid deployment, another great ship for PLAN

only other way is to use Photogrammetry, if someone has a software they can measure the size of the landing deck from a photo and then see if 4 x Z8s would fit knowing the dimensions of the helo and its rotors etc

 

[Equation]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Does cost-effectiveness increase or decrease when LPD's/Amphibious attack ships/light carriers increase by every 10,000 tons? Saw a post by either popeye or jeff, on the topic of USN fast mobilizing ships. I remember those ships were very large and very fast, but very expensive to operate. Is that just due to improper design or it's all ships nature to increase in operating cost when sizes increase? Or should it be opposite with today's technology?

Well the bigger the ships the bigger the crew and along with ships maintenance and any high tech involves with it, so therefore the cost increases for awhile and stable out when the crew became more efficient using it. I do know the cost-effectiveness of ship building cost less as the workers and builders get more experienced and acquainted with building it.

 

[plawolf]

re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Well the bigger the ships the bigger the crew and along with ships maintenance and any high tech involves with it, so therefore the cost increases for awhile and stable out when the crew became more efficient using it. I do know the cost-effectiveness of ship building cost less as the workers and builders get more experienced and acquainted with building it.

As a rule of thumb, it is cheaper to have and operate one ship that can carry 100k ton of cargo than two ships that can handle 50k tons each.

The American ships were expensive to operate because for a long time, American defense spending as a bottomless pit of money, and things like fuel and cost efficiency was never really a concern. In addition, the requirement for the unusually high top and cruise speeds would have had hidden costs in terms of maintenance and fuel consumption costs.

After all, if it was economical to make ships go that fast, everyone would be doing it. With current technologies, there is an optimal speed for maximum fuel efficiency, and most modern container ships are designed to run at that optimum speed. The faster you go, the worse the fuel economy.

 

[Jeff Head]

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I think 071s can carry a maximum of four Z-8s in the hangar(s)

We saw this cutaway a few years back when 998 first deployed to somalia, and it seems to show both hangars going in quite deep -- deep enough to fit two Z-8s in each.

Looks like she could hold 2 Z-9s on eac side and two Z-8s in the middle. Large hanger.

 

[asif iqbal]

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cool, Jeff if u get the model for the Type 071 LPD and since it will be to scale u will know for sure if u can fit 4 X Z8s on that rear deck!

also ur ex-Varyag model is to scale too, are the J15s is well? if so u have 13 parking space allocated to fighter aircraft on that deck, i guess realisticaly that would translate into real life is well?

do the model J15 wings fold?

 

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